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[rogueslayer452]

"Dean’s a lot like you guys. He won’t give up on Cas until he sees a set of wings charred on the ground, so if I was you I wouldn’t give up on either one of them yet. Hold on."
~ Misha on Dean and Cas (Source)

"Now there’s the whole Cas issue. He didn’t get to him in time, he wasn’t able to help him out, to save him. It’s a mound of guilt that has built up on Dean’s shoulders that he carries around with him."
~ Jensen about Dean dealing with Castiel's death/departure (Source)

“I’d take it with me, I’d put it in the trunk of the car, and y’know, I’ll - I’ll take it. Because it’s silly for me - I wouldn’t leave it.”
~ Jensen about the trench coat (Source)

It's slightly reassuring seeing that the actors know more about their characters and the relationships with each other than the actual writers do. I just felt I needed to post these here because despite the fuckery that is happening, the actors know what is up and understand our frustrations, our concerns, and in a sense I feel like if they could take over and do what they feel the characters would do it would be for the better, seeing as how they have a better sense of direction of who these characters are. Like, for example, the interview with Guy Newman Bee talking about what they wanted to do with the trench coat after 7.02 -- Sera Gamble obviously didn't know even after several meetings on the subject, but when asked to Jensen he immediately knew what Dean would do. Like, why should that even be a question? Of course Dean would keep it, there was no other option.

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[aubade-saudade.livejournal.com]

It's so incredibly frustrating that Sera is at the helm, and it's not about not liking or catering to a particular ship or about having favorites (after all I am a Sam-girl) but about her being so incredibly clueless about the relationships the characters have with each other which then bleeds into like, idk a profound fucking ignorance about who the characters are in themselves? Sam is not the guy he was in the first season, which is why he can understand where Castiel is coming from, and Dean is not the guy he was either, which is why this kind of secretive I-know- what's- best behavior cuts him to the quick. By not realizing the relationships these guys have built with one another, despite themselves, that leads to -- to totally misunderstanding who they are and what their motivations are. She talks about having the boys (I wonder if you can rly still call them that) go back to who they were in s1, and I wonder if she knows a thing about writing and character development, because according to good writers out there ( and you've talked about this) if you put yr character in the same situation you did at the beginning of yr story and he behaves the same? You're officially fucked.

The guys spout off the party line in some interviews but when they have to make the artistic choices they do better than the head writer, and that's kind of sad. Sera didn't know what Dean would do...and she felt so blithe about it she left it up to them, in such a critical moment, in the aftermath of the death of an important character. I don't understand how anyone could look at that and think she's good at what she does. I will forever side-eye anybody who defends her, or suspect they don't know about this incredible show of negligence and unprofessional behavior.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

By not realizing the relationships these guys have built with one another, despite themselves, that leads to -- to totally misunderstanding who they are and what their motivations are.

Exactly, and I think many miss that point entirely. There are many writers who would jump at this opportunity to further and go more in-depth these characters and relationships, their personal journeys, because that is what writers strive for. The fact the show is going backwards on that and not addressing these issues of why the character is doing so, it's really lousy and sloppy. They just want to return to how things were by forcing these situations upon them without recognizing the developments and what these characters went through over the last several seasons.

What's worse is how some people are defending this kind of writing of the characters. The excuse of "well that's just Dean's coping mechanism" can only work once. By the time the seventh season comes around someone really needs to slap him with the sensibility stick and call him out on being an asshole, you know? Character growth people, not just some passive aggressive dismissal of "that's just who they are."

The guys spout off the party line in some interviews but when they have to make the artistic choices they do better than the head writer, and that's kind of sad.

It really is. :/ Part of me wants to know how much input the actors have about their characters, because I know such freedoms don't necessarily happen that easily on television. They might take it into account but not many shows are that lenient, so it really makes me wonder.