Some 6.20 spoilers.
Mar. 27th, 2011 10:58 amI want to thank
squishyball for directing me to these spoilers the other day, although I can't say they did good for my fangirl heart. So if you're like me, you'll compose yourself before reading those first and then join me for some capslocking and general talk about them.
WHUT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TO ME SHOW? SRSLY.
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I mean seriously, how much more does Castiel have to suffer on this show? I mean granted Supernatural always carries the angst ad nauseum and I do like angst when it's appropriate, but this season he's been carrying an entire burden and weight on his shoulders and not even Dean or Sam bother on even trying to help him with, or find the courtesy of asking earlier on about his war or empathize with what he has been doing when he isn't constantly with them 24/7 (LOOKING AT YOU DEAN, BEING AN INSENSITIVE JERKOFF TO YOUR BOYFRIEND >:|) I honestly believe that Castiel has been wearing thin for a long while now, just barely hanging on and whatever is happening he has to make tough decisions based on these relationships of his. Either his relationship with the Winchesters or with Balthazar and the rest of his brothers, what is right and what he must do, and obviously this episode will be an overview of how his entire existence has been shifted and changed due to these relationships, but it makes me wonder what this heartbreak will be and what causes it, either what decision/choices he makes or something is done to him, idk. It makes me fear the worst, tbh. It's gonna break me and with the other previous spoilers regarding Castiel for the duration of the season...especially with the finale, I just, I don't know what to think right now.
CAN'T THEY ALL JUST FUCKING HUG IT OUT AND BE FRIENDS AGAIN? AND DEAN WILL APOLOGIZE TO HIS ANGEL BF AND THEY CAN GET BACK TO THEIR ~PROFOUND BONDING~ AND ALL THAT JAZZ? CAN'T WE HAVE HAPPY-SLIGHTLY-CONFUSED-ABOUT-HUMANITY CAS BACK PLZ? WHY MUST HE BE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW, LOOKING TIRED AND EXHAUSTED AND SO WORN OUT READY TO DO WHATEVER IN DEFEAT? I JUST, I CANT. MY POOR BB. ;___;
FOR SOME REASON, I PERSONALLY THINK SOMEONE IN CASTIEL'S LITTLE ANGELICAL RECRUITED GROUP WILL BETRAY HIM, ESP BASED ON THE OTHER SPOILERS THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO TO TRUST, AKA THE "RELUCTANT ALLY" BIT. D: D: D: D:
EDLUND, YOU GENIUS MASTERMIND. YOU BRING THE BRILLIANCE TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. ILU BUT DAMN, YOU WILL BRING THE CREYS IN THIS ONE. ;____;

The heartbreak really begins with “The Man Who Would Be King,” the first episode being directed by fan-fave writer Ben Edlund. “It’s the story of Castiel looking over his life, and then it turns into Castiel looking into his relationships,” he says. “If it does it’s job, it’ll break your heart.”
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I mean seriously, how much more does Castiel have to suffer on this show? I mean granted Supernatural always carries the angst ad nauseum and I do like angst when it's appropriate, but this season he's been carrying an entire burden and weight on his shoulders and not even Dean or Sam bother on even trying to help him with, or find the courtesy of asking earlier on about his war or empathize with what he has been doing when he isn't constantly with them 24/7 (LOOKING AT YOU DEAN, BEING AN INSENSITIVE JERKOFF TO YOUR BOYFRIEND >:|) I honestly believe that Castiel has been wearing thin for a long while now, just barely hanging on and whatever is happening he has to make tough decisions based on these relationships of his. Either his relationship with the Winchesters or with Balthazar and the rest of his brothers, what is right and what he must do, and obviously this episode will be an overview of how his entire existence has been shifted and changed due to these relationships, but it makes me wonder what this heartbreak will be and what causes it, either what decision/choices he makes or something is done to him, idk. It makes me fear the worst, tbh. It's gonna break me and with the other previous spoilers regarding Castiel for the duration of the season...especially with the finale, I just, I don't know what to think right now.
CAN'T THEY ALL JUST FUCKING HUG IT OUT AND BE FRIENDS AGAIN? AND DEAN WILL APOLOGIZE TO HIS ANGEL BF AND THEY CAN GET BACK TO THEIR ~PROFOUND BONDING~ AND ALL THAT JAZZ? CAN'T WE HAVE HAPPY-SLIGHTLY-CONFUSED-ABOUT-HUMANITY CAS BACK PLZ? WHY MUST HE BE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW, LOOKING TIRED AND EXHAUSTED AND SO WORN OUT READY TO DO WHATEVER IN DEFEAT? I JUST, I CANT. MY POOR BB. ;___;
FOR SOME REASON, I PERSONALLY THINK SOMEONE IN CASTIEL'S LITTLE ANGELICAL RECRUITED GROUP WILL BETRAY HIM, ESP BASED ON THE OTHER SPOILERS THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO TO TRUST, AKA THE "RELUCTANT ALLY" BIT. D: D: D: D:
EDLUND, YOU GENIUS MASTERMIND. YOU BRING THE BRILLIANCE TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. ILU BUT DAMN, YOU WILL BRING THE CREYS IN THIS ONE. ;____;

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Date: 2011-03-27 06:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-27 06:21 pm (UTC)That's my guess, too. Of course I still think that angels are genderless anyway, but being in a woman vessel yeah, would qualify. I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be a double agent or something. Which shows how predictable this show is. Bah.
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Date: 2011-03-27 06:30 pm (UTC)And they can do whatever they want to Castiel, as long he survives. Beause if they make him suffer all season and THEN kill him, I will have RAGE. (Though of course I would like them all to be BFFs again.)
I still think that angels are genderless anyway, but being in a woman vessel yeah, would qualify.
True and true.
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Date: 2011-03-27 06:37 pm (UTC)But if there's no payoff, it would be wasting everything he'd been going through and I would be more than just pissed off.
Though judging from the plans for the duration of the season, with them focusing on Castiel this episode and whatever might come in the finale, I get the feeling that they are going to give Castiel something more to work on. I just wish that Edlund was writing everything from here on out to honestly ensure us his character won't be fucked over.
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Date: 2011-03-27 06:46 pm (UTC)True. I'm still secretly fearing that they're going to have Evil!Castiel as some sort of twist in the finale. Like he's some heavenly dictator who let the power go to his head. I'm not saying that makes SENSE, I'm just saying I'm afraid.
Obviously I want Cas to stick around for S7--if there is a S7?--so I hope everything that's happened in S6 does have something to do with a character plan and some place they want him to end up. But I can see how it couldn't, because the writing this season has been shaky to say the least. And if they did kill him (you know, for good), I'm not sure I see them bringing his story to a real end, but just killing him becaue this is what SPN does.
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Date: 2011-03-27 06:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-27 06:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-27 06:49 pm (UTC)I would be very surprised (and full of rage omg) if they killed Cas off. I do think they might turn him to the darkside for the finale though. If they do go down that road, I trust Ben to make it good. He and Moffat are of an ilk that when they do things like this, they do them for a reason. It won't be gratuitous or just for the sake of it.
Personal thinky thoughts on Cas: I think Cas is in league with Crowley. I don't think he's dead at all. I think he and Cas have an intricate plan where Cas gets Heaven and Crowley gets Hell and Purgatory. Crowley helps Cas defeat Raphael. Cas helps Crowley (and humanity) get rid of Mother.
Of course that's hopeful thinking because I love Crowley and I want him be around. The fact that he was spotted in Vancouver after Paley suggests that he might be. I can only hope.
I think things are going to go wrong though. I think some part of his plan to get rid of Mother is going to go tits up and he's going to have to sacrifice himself/his grace to get shot of her.
(Have you noticed I have perspective problems?? LOL I am ONLY looking at the end of the season from Cas' perspective. Sod Sam and Dean...they're always alright. My heart = single minded.)
I PERSONALLY THINK SOMEONE IN CASTIEL'S LITTLE ANGELICAL RECRUITED GROUP WILL BETRAY HIM
This. This will happen. I am pretty much certain of this. I suspect it'll be this New Angel lieutenant bird they're harping on about.
I'm with you on the whole everyone-needs-to-just-hug-it-out thing though. FOR GODS SAKE - SOMEONE GIVE THE ANGEL A HUG. I'M LOOKING AT YOU DEAN BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT AN ASSHAT TO HIM ALL SEASON. GET ON IT.
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Date: 2011-03-28 01:45 am (UTC)It's interesting how many believe that Castiel will go against the Winchesters. Not that the possibility isn't off the table because this season has been so random and making very little sense, I wouldn't put it passed this season to just make something up so randomly just to add for the drama. But if they are going by something, they will see that Castiel has been ultimately torn this entire season, visibly exhausted. So I doubt they'll go down that route without some explanation that makes sense, and the way this season has been going I have little faith with that.
I think Cas is in league with Crowley. I don't think he's dead at all. I think he and Cas have an intricate plan where Cas gets Heaven and Crowley gets Hell and Purgatory. Crowley helps Cas defeat Raphael. Cas helps Crowley (and humanity) get rid of Mother.
Excellent theory, bb. In fact that makes more sense than the majority of this season, to be honest. ;) And moreover, we've seen just how crafty Crowley is with making deals and such, and Castiel asking for help from the Other Side that might cause serious consequences in the long run.
And hey, this makes sense considering that Mark Sheppard is even listed as a credit for the episode, so it makes me hopeful! \O/
Have you noticed I have perspective problems?? LOL I am ONLY looking at the end of the season from Cas' perspective. Sod Sam and Dean...they're always alright. My heart = single minded.
I'm the same way too, though. I honestly don't care about Sam or Dean's problems because with them, they always have the same issues and they're always alright in the end. Castiel is the only character I honestly really care about at this point, from his well-being to how he's been treated and what his outcome will be. They've already screwed over so many characters, from storylines and butchering their characterizations, that I will be furious if they ruin Castiel for the "just because" factor.
This. This will happen. I am pretty much certain of this. I suspect it'll be this New Angel lieutenant bird they're harping on about.
Never mind how late in the game this new angel will be introduced, I highly doubt she'll survive or that she'll actually be good without stirring up some trouble or revealed to be the traitor. Of course, it could always be Balthazar (the "reluctant ally" aspect is what makes me confused, because Balthy is out for himself but he also cares about Castiel) But I have a feeling it's this new lieutenant.
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Date: 2011-03-27 07:50 pm (UTC)I thought Castiel was badly used in S5 but THIS is even worse! Who knew?
Another that bus me is the whole Civil War. I mean what should be a HUGE plot in this season is basically told off screen along with with a bunch of other plot lines (Purgatory, The Campbells, Soulless Sam) that seemed to go no where. I mean what's the point?
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Date: 2011-03-28 01:03 am (UTC)However, despite that I'm actually really intrigued (and scared) on the Castiel storyline here. On one hand they're actually dealing with his character and Edlund is going to not only be writing 6.20 but also directing, which means his character will be in good hands. On the other hand, it makes me wonder why they didn't introduce more earlier into the season and it makes me anxious about what they plan on doing with him in the two-part finale. It'll be a cliffhanger, so I don't want to think about them ruining him or breaking him further. And while I like character angst and certain turmoils to happen, since conflicted!Castiel is my favorite, I'm worried what this could mean regarding his relationship with the boys, particularly with Dean because they haven't been on good terms all season and it's scaring me how they keep teasing us about what the finale might hold. ;__;
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Date: 2011-03-27 08:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 12:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-27 08:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 12:48 am (UTC)Though part of me wants things to be alright in the end for his character, you know? Like if you're going to bring all this angst with his character, making him so morally conflicted and such, have the payoff be worth it (it's the same with Dean, I'll say; the angst can only go so far without overdoing it.) I will say that I am happy Edlund is writing 6.20 since he'll be handling the majority of Castiel's story for the season, I wouldn't trust anyone else handling his character tbh.
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Date: 2011-03-27 08:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 12:39 am (UTC)Happy that Edlund is doing his episode, but still. It makes me all more nail-biting anxious about what is gonna happen to him in the long-run.
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Date: 2011-03-27 11:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 12:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 01:56 am (UTC)AND YES. THE BOYS WILL BE HUGE HYPOCRITES (NOT THAT THEY AREN'T ALREADY IN CERTAIN CASES) IF THEY DON'T AT LEAST TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND EMPATHIZE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE SITUATION CASTIEL HAS BEEN DEALING WITH. JUST, UGH.
I'm actually wondering about that, because before when describing the character of Rachel they said she was devoted to Castiel's mission. Instead here we see that a new angel will be a "reluctant ally", thereby leaving me confused with what they are implying. Balthazar isn't a new angel, or newly introduced angel, and surely they would have mentioned him by name in that interview if that were the case. Even though Balthazar has had his own agenda, he clearly does care about Castiel that he wouldn't outright betray him like that. Rachel seems the be the most likely candidate because a.) she's being introduced so late into the game and b.) she's female, or a female vessel, therefore doomed to become evil or dead, possibly both.
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Date: 2011-03-28 02:34 am (UTC)The rift is unnecessary, imo. I like having character angst when needed, but they haven't bothered explaining why Dean has been acting the way he has been towards Castiel and it makes me sad and angry that they aren't bothering with maintaining that continuity between the two. It's not like they haven't confided or dealt with their separate problems that are inadvertently connected to each other before (re: the fourth season, for example) and I miss showing their friendship and bonding moments. I do hope in the remaining episodes we see amends happening, but I feel like even that is asking too much from the show anymore. *sighs*
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Date: 2011-03-28 05:25 am (UTC)That's an interesting question. It's actually something that makes me wonder of how much of a writer's influence can affect the overall feel of a show, the continuity and relationships between characters, since when certain writers leave shows there can definitely be a noticeable shift in how things are being handled, at least sometimes in certain shows. It just is really concerning to me how much we rely on knowing who writes episodes and whether they are worth watching or not, particularly with this season. Hmmmm.
I don't understand it and I feel like the show will never explain why, or give proper resolution to it.
And yes, ITA about Gamble just not giving a fuck. Since you know, she is all about SammySammySammy all the time. :/
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Date: 2011-03-28 06:27 am (UTC)Oh, and I definitely hear you about the amount of what we see between Dean and Castiel and their chemistry is definitely based on Misha and Jensen. Because they add so much more to their characters than what's just written on the script. It wouldn't be eyefucking, it would just be sheer hatred if it was anyone else in those roles. :/
Actually, you know what else is interesting? I don't think I started paying attention to who wrote what episode (or who was going to write what episode) until the second half of S5... which is basically when it started going downhill. :\
Same here! Usually with my fandoms I don't pay that close attention to who is writing an episode because mostly there's a fluidity in consistency that there's no need to be concerned. Whereas with Supernatural it's so painfully obvious of the writers not even staying in sync with each other or the story because episodes can switch from being good one week to absolutely horrible the next. And yes, this is very noticeable since the latter half of last season when things started declining in quality of the writing and direction. And I think many people are noticing this too, which should say something about how downhill everything has gotten because of the shifts and changes not just with the showrunner but adding new writers who don't know the show into the mix.
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Date: 2011-03-28 07:16 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 07:38 am (UTC)I don't watch much TV but when I do I never notice writers. But when I started watching SPN, I was like..is this normal? lol This season especially has been painfully obvious about the differences in writing. Sometimes it's like watching a totally different show each week lol
I really hope if there's a season 7 they weed out the bad writers. Because it's obvious some of them just aren't good with knowing the characters. The characterization this season has been cringe worthy at times. And I pray to God Ben stays on or there's no hope. Imo, he's the best writer there. And it's not because of his slashy moments. He's just talented and knows how to write the characters very well and consistently.
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Date: 2011-03-28 08:46 am (UTC)Ben Edlund is the only writer that I trust on this show anymore. He just gets it, he understands how to manage and meld story and characters and bringing so much to the script and direction of what is happening. He's my hero, and the show's only hope. I pray that he becomes showrunner next season, even as unlikely as that may be. Because I see no other person capable of handling this show and giving it a satisfactory ending it deserves.
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Date: 2011-03-28 01:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 01:48 am (UTC)But I am very hopeful too because it's Ben Edlund, he knows how to handle material like this and do it well. So I'm excited along with being anxious, and overall scared about what this means for the end of the season and where this might leave his character. DNW FOREVER ALONE CAS. D:
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Date: 2011-03-28 07:15 am (UTC)I'm sad because one; they've really misused his character this season. He shows up 5 times maybe for like 5 or 10 minutes (at best) and then disappears. The heavenly civil war is just like a vague plot device to keep him away. It's worse than the off screen search for god last season. At least we got snippets of what he was doing then, they've given us nothing this season. Ugh, I feel like this would have been a better overall season arc for like Season 7. That was one of my main complaints about this season. WWAAAaYY too much going on. No real singular plot development and therefore, interesting stories not getting the quality attention they deserve.
Like why is Dean being a jerk to Cas this season? People try to justify it like "well he's having a hard time, Sam was soulless blah blah" but from the moment Cas showed up in 6.03 they just treated him like utter crap and continued to yell at him and berate him every time he showed up there after DESPITE the fact he's only showing up to help them. Even when he didn't have any way to help, he still tried. Then they say it's Cas who's just not talking. But I can remember at least 2 or 3 different time he tried to bring up his issues and talk and they cut him off with their whining. So that's just not true. They NEVER inquire about how he is, never asks how the war is going (it's only the whole world that's at stake, no biggie). Hmm, maybe he's taking so long to answer your whiny prayers because he's DEAD? They don't even care.
And now this chick who was supposed to be his ally (she was doomed from the start. Females on SPN are doomed to be evil or sluts) is probably gonna betray him. I have a feeling at the end she's gonna be a double agent or something.
I also feel like he's gonna try something to combine their efforts to get rid of Mother and Raph and it's gonna blow up in his face somehow.
I'm wondering how 6.20 is gonna portray his life. I'm just so sad that he feels so alone and like no one cares. And I wish I could say different, but really, does any one care? :( They sure don't act like it. He's so alone in the world. I just feel so bad for him. First they show him 5 mins per ep then he finally gets some screen time and now they torture him some more :(
If he doesn't get a hug this season I will burn someone at the CW on a ceiling.
Sorry that was long. I have a lot of feelings lol
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Date: 2011-03-28 08:05 am (UTC)Cas: "Well the world's at stake, sorry :( I'm just trying to save your planet. Since ya know, you guys are my friends and taught me to care for humanity even though most of my kind couldn't care less and I'm practically in this alone :(
Boys: Ugh, we have issues here, shut your whining! Sam has no soul! Priorities!
Cas try 2: The world is at stake! I have to go!
Boys: Dude, I can't believe how selfish you are leaving us at a time like this. Shame!
Cas try 3: I didn't wanna do this but...the world is at stake!
Boys: So! Why didn't you tell us that!? Sheesh! You never talk to us about these things!
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Date: 2011-03-28 08:37 am (UTC)but from the moment Cas showed up in 6.03 they just treated him like utter crap and continued to yell at him and berate him every time he showed up there after DESPITE the fact he's only showing up to help them. Even when he didn't have any way to help, he still tried. Then they say it's Cas who's just not talking. But I can remember at least 2 or 3 different time he tried to bring up his issues and talk and they cut him off with their whining.
THIS. ALL OF THIS. EXACTLY.
Castiel has attempted to explain himself on multiple occasions, however for the Winchesters nobody elses issues matter but their own. Dean in particular who ends up bitching at Castiel for not appearing whenever he calls him, and you're definitely right on the money about them never ever inquiring about what Castiel has been up to, what is happening, etc. It's always about their needs only. It's interesting because they have addressed it within the show about how Dean and Sam take other people helping them for granted (Bobby telling them this in "Weekend At Bobby's" and then it's revised in a subtle manner when Castiel says, "Of course, your problems always come first." So you'd think that the show was making a statement about acknowledging that the Winchester are self-absorbed in their own issues without taking into consideration others around them, but they haven't dealt with it at all. Hence why I'm partial to Castiel more than I am the Winchesters right now because it's the same old bullshit with them. Castiel is dealing with something much heavier on his shoulders and I feel more sorry for him at the moment. ;__; If I could hug him right now, I totally would. Many, many times.
I also feel like he's gonna try something to combine their efforts to get rid of Mother and Raph and it's gonna blow up in his face somehow.
That's the vibe I'm getting, as well. He's in deep desperation and probably will take desperate measures to ensure that he wins this war, which will definitely backfire or have severe consequences on his end. That's my main fear. AND ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED HAD DEAN WINCHESTER HAD HIS SASSY GAY BOYFRIEND AROUND TO STOP HIM FROM BEING AN ASSHOLE AND START HELPING OUT HIS ANGEL BOYFRIEND, JSYK.
I'm also wondering how this Castiel-centric episode will turn out to be, since it's kind of difficult to show the entire existence of angels, especially since they haven't roamed the Earth in over two thousand years. Perhaps we'll get more information than flashbacks. But ITA, Castiel seems to always be alone, and it breaks my heart and judging from description of the episode itself it'll continue to shatter my heart. ;___;
DON'T FEEL SORRY BB, I HAS FEELINGS ABOUT THIS TOO.
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Date: 2011-03-28 07:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-28 07:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-30 07:37 am (UTC)But I am so excited for this episode!
I need a heartbreaking episode. And I'm freaking glad that Ben is writing and directing it.
Since we're going through Cas' relationships, are we going to see when his relationship with Dean started? I basically just want to see Cas and Dean in Hell.
I want to know how this episode is going to go. I predict Castiel showing up hurt. Then Dean and Sam, courtesy of Balthazar go brain surfing in our favorite trenchcoat wearing angel. Or maybe not. But then Dean would come out of the dream weaving and be all 'Cas, I've been such a dick. Can we have hugs and sexy times?'
I don't know... I'm just spewing... But I'm freaking excited. :)