Either uphill or downhill from here.

[rogueslayer452]

It seems like Supernatural was renewed for a seventh season.

Meh, not unsurprising, however I'm not that excited or enthusiastic to be honest.

This season has been incredibly underwhelming and enraging for the most part, for reasons I've already expressed ad nausem. Show really needs to get their shit back together in order to impress me if they want a successful seventh season. I'd take Sera Gamble stepping down or being fired from showrunner position to be the first indicator of the show going in the right direction, please. I'd also take Kripke back in a heartbeat if that means no more shittiness that she's done, or Edlund if he's willing for the job. And better writers, as well. Just, a whole goddamn makeover would be nice. No more trainwrecks like it has been this entire season.

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In other fandom news:

Yesterday Joss Whedon started filming The Avengers.

Plus, the Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog sequel is becoming a reality! Having it be three years since the first one came out, immediately becoming a hit sensation, they've become constructing songs for the second one. Of course this probably won't get started until after The Avengers gets finished, but still. More Dr. Horrible and more Joss Whedony goodness makes me happy, so yay!

The Guild is also shooting its fifth season.

Haven S2 teaser trailer! Very brief, but goddamn that freaky-looking clown....O_o

And finally, DEATHLY HALLOWS, PART 2 TRAILER PREMIERES TOMOROW!!!! \O/\O/\O/ MY FANGIRL HEART WILL SWELL WITH HAPPINESS AND MY EYES FILLED WITH EPIC TEARS.

Comments

[kalikahuntress.livejournal.com]

I want to be hopeful for fans holding out for the best for SPN but I just can't see it getting better with Sera at the helm. Also, I am so ready to see Misha in something deserving of his talent; I just realized I have been missing Castiel for two seasons; very little they have done with him since season four has made sense or made me happy. And that goes for Sam and Dean too....
Haven season two trailer is boss; I am going to re-watch season one in time for season two.:)

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I agree with you about them not being used in a progressive manner since the fourth season. They started something in the fifth season, however that got ripped out from underneath and everything just fell incredibly flat in the end. No payoff, nothing. This season has been nothing but fail after fail, with a few good things here and there, but the execution overall? Just major fail. :/

I just rewatched S1 of Haven the other day. :) I love it sfm, I can't wait for S2 to premiere! :D

[silverusagi]

Meh, not unsurprising, however I'm not that excited or enthusiastic to be honest.

Ditto. I'm rather neutral on the idea. S6 hasn't been thrilling to me at all, and in some respects has been downright disappointing. I don't have expectations at this point that S7 will be a turnaround. Geez, there's enough material in S6 to MAKE two seasons, if they had done it right. But no, we get a ton of plots all smashed together this season, many not developed, or competing with others for attention.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Pretty much everything you said. Had this season been executed better with pacing out these storylines and plots, particularly in the writing department, then it wouldn't have been a half-bad of a season. But they failed miserably with that, and continued to do so. They had so much potential to be something great with this season, but with Gamble at the helm it's like, ugh. Get her off the show already (along with those new writers), and I'll be slightly relieved.

[twisting-vine-x.livejournal.com]

I'm going to find religion and start praying for a S7 that makes sense.

>_<

Because they kinda really need to fix everything that S6 tanked - the plot, the characterizations... everything we've been ranting about. And hopefully they've figured out that they were killing the show, and they're going to spend the next season making everything alright...

-is hopeful-

Edit: Also, lawl @ simultaneous posting in each others' journals. ♥

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

LOL PRETTY MUCH RESPONDING TO THIS AS THE SAME AS YOUR POST! LOL! XD

But yeah, I agree. I don't want the show to go downhill, I want there to be something of a payoff. However they've failed to impress me this season and nothing has convinced me they have any idea where they're going and what they're going to do. I hope that they figure it out and I sincerely hope that this will be the absolute last season. I cannot foresee it going beyond a seventh season, otherwise it'll turn into the thing that Kripke didn't want for the show.

Then again it already became that once they got a sixth season, so....

[silverusagi]

ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS MEANS 22 MORE EPISODES THAT COULD FEATURE GABRIEL AND HIS GLORIOUS AND INEVITABLE RETURN.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

YES YES YES, POSSIBLY! \O/

IF THEY KEEP BALTHAZAR AROUND THIS WOULD MEAN THAT BALTHAZAR/GABRIEL BONDING TIME, Y/Y? AND CASTIEL IN THE CORNER FACEPALMING? ;D

[silverusagi]

Honestly, I doubt Balthazar will last the season. Just based on guest stars' track records. But I'd rather have him die than Castiel, obviously.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Sadly, this is true. :( I love Balthazar but this show loves killing anyone that isn't Winchesters or Bobby. Castiel has died twice already, but brought back so, yeah. idk :/ If he does survive the end of this season I'll be very surprised.

[mulder200.livejournal.com]

Well, you already know how I feel about S6. Just imagine another 22 eps of That?

Oh Haven! I look forward to S2!

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

GOD, I SHUDDER TO THINK! I WILL EITHER HIDE FROM SECOND-HAND EMBARRASSMENT OR JUST BE ALL BITCHFACED LIKE CAS HERE:



SRSLY SHOW. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, A.K.A. FIRE GAMBLE ASAP!

It seems like such a long wait for Haven! Two months, I think. I WANT IT NOW! *grabby hands*

[carameltrap.livejournal.com]

IDK whether to be happy or just cry at the news. I mean, this season is already such a mess of stories that I don't even know which one is supposed to be the main arch of the entire season. Not only that, shitty character development, handling and writing.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I'm indifferent and apathetic towards this news, tbh. I'm neither squeeing nor seething in rage. I'm just very meh at this point.

I just hope the show doesn't pull a Smallville, going on for ten seasons. I was talking with my sister about this just now and she says yeah, that would be bad because SPN doesn't have enough characters to go on that long (hell, it doesn't have that much of an ensemble to have lasted this long, ffs)

[carameltrap.livejournal.com]

If they pull everything together for S7, better writing and characters and plots, then I will be jumping for joy. Until then, just not very optimistic about it.

Ahaha, SPN is going to be that show that goes on and on and on, like that Celine Dion song. I don't want it to go down the hill like Heroes did.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

The thing is, Kripke wanted the show to go out with a big bang and not be like other shows out there that continue on without any possible ending to it. So, I sincerely hope the next will be the last, otherwise it'll be just like those never-ending shows.

I know fans want it to continue on and on forever, but that's simply impossible.

[timbitsu.livejournal.com]

I wonder if the actors are sick of the show yet. I kind of think they'd want to get out and do something else after 6 years. Quite a few of the SPN guest stars have gone on to do movies.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

From what I've seen and heard, being at several conventions now, they absolutely love and adore working on the show. They are always humbled by the amount of support and love they get from the fans and they love going to work every single day, which is something I really like about them. They just really love doing what they do.

The thing is, it does seem rather selfish to want the show to end at a specific point because, this job is their livelihood and it would be sad seeing them sad that they can't go to work every single day and have fun like they do. As a fan you want things to be a certain way, but in the business of being an actor, when you have something good going for you, a job that you love working on, that's something you have to treasure and these actors have been doing this for six/seven years now. I mean, I feel slightly bad for wanting a show that they desperately love working on to be over just because I don't like the direction it's going in. At the same time though, certain things have to come to an end and if it's not doing well writing/direction-wise, it either has to be fixed or just end before it gets worse. I don't know.

Gah, rambling now.

[alexwhitman25.livejournal.com]

I think after the end of this season, I'm going to have to seriously think about whether I want to invest in next season.

I just can't summon up much feeling either way about this season. I've become pretty indifferent about most things involving the show. I wish they would just decide that the 7th season will be their last, embrace it and really try to make something out of it. Try to go out on a real high note with some consistent plotting and well developed story. It's hard to see that happening though.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Considering how Kripke doesn't want his show to be like the other never-ending shows out there, I really want to believe that they have something planned and I honestly really want the next season to be its last. I don't see anything else that can be told with their story, it's hard to envision anything new that can be progressed at this point with them.

I just don't know anymore with this show.

[alexwhitman25.livejournal.com]

I want Adam as the Big Bad next season! After being tortured in hell, he's out for revenge against his selfish, indifferent brothers. MOAR JAKE ABEL PLZ. Give Ben Edlund free license with this and it would be GOLD.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

FOR ME ADAM WOULD WIN, AND THE WINCHESTERS WOULD GET KNOCKED DOWN SEVERAL STEPS FROM THEIR PEDESTAL THAT THEY SIT ON. ;D

[cugami.livejournal.com]

OH THIS I WANT TO HAPPEN SO MUCH.

The brothers need some serious reminding that the world AND the universe are MUCH MUCH BIGGER than them.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I know, right? Unfortunately this show is all about making sure that they remain the center of everything and nothing/nobody else matters but them and their issues. Even with the minor mentions this season I wish they would continually address their self-centered attitude more often, because it means that everyone else is well aware of this and they should acknowledge it too.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

YES TO ALL OF THIS! PARTICULARLY WITH BEN EDLUND BECAUSE HIS STUFF IS FLAWLESS. :D

[lupinespirit.livejournal.com]

I usually lurk but wanted to say that I agree with the theories that Castiel has been sorely under utilized this season, and that Season 6, as a whole, has been decidedly lacking. I don't know if it's the loss of Kripke or just bad writing but something needs to change for there to be substantial interest in Season 7, at least, on my end.

I'm curious... What are your thoughts of the writers, etc. bringing back Castiel? Do you see a way for the character to become an integral part of the show again?

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I'm curious... What are your thoughts of the writers, etc. bringing back Castiel? Do you see a way for the character to become an integral part of the show again?

If things are ambiguous at the end of this season, I think perhaps having him in the seventh season would be about proving himself and deciding where he truly belongs, especially if Heaven's civil war continues. If things are resolved, which I doubt, then something new would have to happen, although it would depend on how his relationship with the Winchesters would be. Particularly with Dean, because they do have a special connection and bond that hasn't been seen for most of this season, and I would like them to rekindle it.

Of course, my worry with the writers is underusing his character like they have for most of this season. While they might have done so to prolong the mystery of his storyline, I don't like them butchering his characterization only for shits and giggles.

[lupinespirit.livejournal.com]

...I don't like them butchering his characterization only for shits and giggles.

I'm with you 100% on that one. It's a shame that the writers aren't.

[I think] the character itself has so many layers and facets that could be addressed and would make for really interesting story lines but for whatever reason, the writers don't seem eager to bring that into play. Instead, they bring him in for a bit of comic relief and/or cosmic placeholder. Here's hoping that the season renewal will light a fire under their collective asses.

[cugami.livejournal.com]

*butts in interesting topics*

I've always said that Cas' character depth and the whole ensemble of the heavenly host can practically run an entire show/mini-series on their own. This whole season has me more interested on what's happening on the side (which we never see, because the world revolves around the Winchesters and their problems) rather than what're being shoved in our faces.

I wanted to see the war. I wanted to see the other angels. How was heaven split up? How did Cas manage to actually gain a following and an army when for the past 2 seasons, all of heaven shunned him out. :/ Heaven could really survive a short spin-off, which unfortunately will never happen.

[lupinespirit.livejournal.com]

This is my thought, exactly.

So much of the season has never been addressed, in terms of the war. We've gotten snippets of info here and there but the writers have yet to delve into detail. The character of Rachel was brought in rather abruptly and then she was killed off. We have Balthazar, yes, but is he the *only* other angel assisting Cas?

I keep thinking that the writers have barely scratched the surface of Cas' struggle(s) between maintaining his link with humanity, specifically the Winchesters, and his inherent nature of obedience and allegiance to the cause. The character is so rich and so complicated yet none of this is being brought out into the open. Instead, he is kept in shadows and secrecy. It's very disappointing.

[entangled-now.livejournal.com]

I'm actually much the same as you, though I honestly do love the show I think the end of season 5 and most of season 6 has been a bit of a mess. There's a complete lack of world-building, or an expanded cast of characters at the moment and so much wasteage (is that even a word, idk?) of good ideas, characters, themes. And after six seasons, I just don't think Sam and Dean on their own, with their own much-trodden issues and angst is enough any more. If season 7 is just going to be more of this then...I don't know.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

Meh, not unsurprising, however I'm not that excited or enthusiastic to be honest.
You and me both, but then I've skipped more episodes than I've watched this season- from what I've heard I haven't really missed that much. I've heard a rumor that Misha might be written off the show (with Cas' popularity I'll believe it when I see it) and I'm not sure how I feel about that. On one hand I would hate to see Cas go (he's pretty much the only reason I watch) but on the other it seems like the writers didn't know what to do with him after season four.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I've heard that rumor, and honestly I don't know what to think.

It's gotten to the point where I only watch the show because of Castiel and the other angels, not the Winchesters anymore. So if Castiel left, so would I, and I have no shame in admitting that (unless they do something interesting with the brothers but I somehow doubt it.) On one hand if that means they will no longer butcher his character in the writing then that's kind of a blessing is disguise, however on the other hand I doubt they'd get rid of their most popular character/actor amongst the fandom. Especially after making him a series regular (even though they have been treating Castiel like a recurring role for the last two seasons now, but I digress.)

I think that's what that rumor is, just a rumor. I think they want to amp up the anticipation for the finale which is a cliffhanger for fans to see what happens to our beloved angel. Keeping the suspense and all of that, you know.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'It's gotten to the point where I only watch the show because of Castiel and the other angels, not the Winchesters anymore.'
Me too. Someone pointed that they might make him the new Big Bad is season seven, so they can keep him around, which scares me to no end because I would put it past the writers to do that.

[isarae.livejournal.com]

I'm jumping in to celebrate the singalong blog sequel! Wooo!!!!

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I WANT MORE CAPTAIN TIGHTPANTS HAMMER! MORE NEIL PATRICK HARRIS AND FELICIA DAY AND BAD HORSE AND SINGING! :D :D :D :D

[turnbluetogrey.livejournal.com]

I actually felt quite relieved at the news. Look at it this way - if the show ends with the 6th season, it's gonna be on a pretty low note. It would still feel useless and out of place but a 7th season at least gives it a chance of fixing some of the stuff they messed up. And I really really hope they'll get rid of Sera Gamble and bring back Kripke. I hope I won't be disappointed again.

Basically: it's sooo bad that it couldn't get worse. :/

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Basically: it's sooo bad that it couldn't get worse. :/

Actually, while it's been bad, it's not the worst they could have gone and believe me, after seeing the pathway certain shows have gone in the past (ex. Heroes) they have yet to get to the point where it's practically irredeemably horrible. I'm hoping it never gets to that point, ever.

And while I'm not jumping with excitement I'm holding onto a sliver of hope that somehow a seventh season will fix the damages that Sera Gamble has done this season. I think of it like the pattern of BTVS, for example. The sixth season was considered awful by most of fandom, however the seventh and last season brought everything together and it more or less was much better and gave a solid ending and conclusion to the story. My only hope is that SPN does that same, that the seventh season will be its last and that they have something big planned in going out in style.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I'm ecstatic about Joss doing the project, and them started filming I can't wait to see the finished product. :D

[cugami.livejournal.com]

I do wonder, though, if Sera Gamble is even aware of how much displeasure her whole run has made of the fandom. Granted, I can't really speak on which side of the fandom is louder (those who are happy, or those of us going meh...where's Cas? What's going on in heaven?), but she should at least know how much of a wreck this entire season was made of.

There was so much potential on the idea of heaven at war, and of Castiel being forced to do things he'd regret for the sake of a higher purpose/goal. But, this whole storyline could go wrong in so many ways and with the way Gamble's been at it, I'm more inclined to believe she'd destroy the Character before the season's done.

I'm banking so much hope on the episode that Edlund wrote and directed to give us the saving grace that would salvage at least the relationship between Cas and the Winchesters.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I do wonder, though, if Sera Gamble is even aware of how much displeasure her whole run has made of the fandom.

She probably doesn't care and won't listen regardless. From what I've gathered from her interviews and such, Gamble just lives inside her own little world in what she illusions the show to be, not what it's supposed to be and doesn't listen to fan reactions or opinions. If she did, she wouldn't have pulled the majority of the stunts she did this season.

I'm banking so much hope on the episode that Edlund wrote and directed to give us the saving grace that would salvage at least the relationship between Cas and the Winchesters.

Same here. Like you said, I distrust Gamble and the other writers to do his character justice at all with the bullshit they've been pulling lately. :/