Michael and Lucifer downtime?

[rogueslayer452]

I'm actually wondering, since Lucifer and Michael are still trapped in the cage, would they be succumbed to having a little brotherly bonding time, or fighting it out as they were supposed to have done and then, after years Hell-time of duking it out, they start bonding and making amends? Also, assuming that Sam's soul is still trapped in there as well (however they plan on explaining that), would he be kind of playing referee? Hey, what better way spending solitary confinement with two archangels trying to sort out their brotherly and familial differences. It would actually be a metaphor of the Winchesters, the fact they keep rehashing the same-old issues and it would take centuries for them to come to any kind of resolve or moving forward. Not that I like that direction they're still doing for them honestly, it's boring as fuck now, but whatever.

Also, I miss Marksha. ;___; Despite being an important factor last season they really underused him. I am sorely disappoint. MARKSHA COME BACK TO US!

They also need to mention Adam somewhere this season. Neglecting him is just making their continuity failings even worse. Just saying.

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[alexwhitman25.livejournal.com]

It fills me with rage that they still haven't even dropped a single mention of Adam this season. I shouldn't be surprised since he is prime example of the major issues this show has with bringing things up only when they are relevant to the plot instead of focusing on what logically makes sense regarding characterization. Souless!Sam is easier to explain away, but Dean showing no concern or regard for his brother? It makes him look like a grade A asshole.

I can't wait for the US version of Being Human strictly for some Marksha and Jeremy Carter. I miss their influences and presence in SPN.

[aeon-entwined.livejournal.com]

Finally, someone voicing the same thoughts that have been plaguing me for about the past six months. :(

We need more Angels and less Winchesters being obtuse.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

There should have at least been a question of concern about him still being trapped in Lucifer's cage, particularly in the premiere when Dean realized Sam came back. It's pretty much the thing to ask because hey if Sam had mysteriously gotten out, what about Adam? Is he okay, what's going on? And yet...nothing. It's not surprising from the poor judgment of decisions this show often does, but still. It's severely disappointing that they don't even say anything. It's just all about Sam. No regards for any other characters involved, as always. -__-

I totally forgot that Marksha and Jeremy Carver were working together! *facepalm* But yes, that is exciting. I just wish they would both return to Supernatural and save it from being trainwreck it's becoming this season....

[high-flyer87.livejournal.com]

*comment stalking*

Whoawhoawhoa! Hold up! Mark is going to be in Being Human?! O_O I wasn't going to watch the show (even though I do so hate to ignore Jeremy Carver), but of course now I HAVE to watch it!

Holy crap. I approve of this development!

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Heh, I think I'm speaking for a lot of folks out there who aren't speaking up. Because apparently if you dismiss anything Winchester or dislike certain directions (this season esp) you aren't a true fan of the show and should just stop watching. -__-

It's still in my opinion that they should have either done a televised movie of the Winchesters with this season's storyline with them (whatever that is I'm still not sure) and wrap it all up for them and just done a spin-off with the angels. I mean, doesn't that sound more logical than having more seasons that are just mainly filler anyway?

[high-flyer87.livejournal.com]

You know my thoughts on Adam. Bb needs to come back, and writers need to stop being stupid.

I love the idea of Mike and Lucifer down in the cage together. There would of course be a centuries worth of beatings, but eventually they'd have to calm down and take a break. Yeah? And then they'd talk. Cuz you know Lucifer at least likes to talk. He'd have plenty to say.

And Sam and Adam (because I'm choosing to believe he's still down there with Sam, and when they get Sam's soul back, they'll get Adam back too *wishful thinking*) are over in the corner together watching. Sam steps in every once in a while with his helpful puppy-dog eagerness to sort things out and get them to understand one another, and Adam just rolls his eyes and snarks and maybe gets them all to laugh every once in a while.

IDK. Whatever. My brain enjoys the 4 of them down there together. Like one giant group time-out XD

[aeon-entwined.livejournal.com]

EXACTLY.

Oh my god, I cannot tell you how irritated I get by all the rabid "protectors" of the wonder bros. It's like, "Dude, I like the Angels. They've got a fascinating story to tell, and as everyone's said throughout S5, they mirror Sam and Dean. Stop acting like Sam and Dean are the Second Coming and take a step back, plz."

I CANNOT EXPRESS MY LEVEL OF WANT FOR THIS OMG.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

The fact they hardly gave a mention in passing about him still being stuck in the cage is seriously disconcerting. It's like they bring him back as the faked red-herring and now that he's no longer useful for plot devices they can just ditch him. MENTION HIM GODDAMMIT. HE IS A CHARACTER TOO YOU KNOW.

IDK. Whatever. My brain enjoys the 4 of them down there together. Like one giant group time-out XD

I really like this idea, and seriously there should be fic about it because I can totally see this happening. It would be awesome. Hey, it would be a lot more interesting than the stuff the show has been dealing with lately (sans the angel civil war stuff, because I want more of that and soon please).

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Oh Lord, those that think Sam and Dean are the only reasons people should watch the show are definitely annoying, like I get preferences and all, but lately the Winchesters have been boring me, I prefer my angels and the mythology more thank you very much. Though mostly, the hardcore fanatics that are always like YOU EITHER PRAISE THE SHOW AND DON'T TALK NEGATIVELY ABOUT IT OR GTFO are really irritable and irrational because it's like, I can't have an opinion without being slammed for it, and God forbid I actually have thoughts and legitimate concerns over what the show is doing.

THERE TOTALLY NEEDS TO BE A SPIN-OFF BECAUSE SERIOUSLY, WITH ALL THE CASTIEL LOVERS AND SUPPORTERS OF THE ANGEL MYTHARC STUFF, I BETCHA ANYTHING IT WOULD DEFINITELY SUCCEED BEYOND ANYONE'S EXPECTATIONS. ESP IF THEY GOT JEREMY CARVER TO BE SHOWRUNNER OF IT. TRUFAX.

[silverusagi]

I desperately want to know what is going on in the cage. Epic fight? Sullen sulking? Both griping about God? The worst family reunion ever?

And yes, there needs to be an Adam mention.

[epicycles.livejournal.com]

Okay I haven't caught up yet (stalled out at 6.06) but...they still haven't mentioned Adam? WTF I liked Adam. It really bugs me that sometimes you don't even know if characters are alive or dead because no one ever mentions them unless they are required for the plot (recent example: Rufus). One of the most universal things humans do is talk about other people, get with it Show.

Also, YES MORE MARKSHA. I MISS HIS FACE. I vote scenes of Marksha!Lucifer and MattCohen!Michael in the cage!

[icecoldrain.livejournal.com]

It really bugs me that they have failed to mention Adam this season. Hey Sam, you're not the only one who fell into the cage. Poor Adam, first he didn't know he had brothers and was eaten by Golems. Then he came back and started to believe that his brothers might actually care about him after being duped, only to be completely forgotten. idk, not even Bobby mentioned him. Either they forgot all about it or they haven't figured out how to deal with it even though no mention of him at all is like WAIT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ADAM. Does soulless Sam really remember anything from being in hell? He doesn't want to talk about it, but I wonder if he doesn't have any memories of it at all so he's got no clue what's going on there.

I wonder how they're going to explain Adam/Lucifer/Michael/Sam's soul all being together when it finally surfaces. It'd also be interesting to see how Sam will react to his memories of his time without his soul when he gets it back. It'd be even more interesting if for some reason he doesn't remember anything from when his soul was gone.

[beckytheelf.livejournal.com]

Continuity? Can anyone on Supernatural even SPELL that word? I wish Marksha could somehow come back and be an evil voice taunting Sam inside his head or something. He is awesome and is woefully underused in ALL his shows.
Also, clearly Lucy and Michael are just going to give Sam's soul back because they've obvs got nothing else to do with their time. *Facepalm*

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

It's something I've been curious about, since they're still down there it would be nice to know what is happening. I definitely think it's the worst family reunion complete with fighting and sulking.

At first I was uncertain of Adam as a character, but I've grown kind of fond of the kid, and the fact they aren't even mentioning him makes me mad.

(btw, I totally love your icon. :D)

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I feel more horrible for him than Sam or Dean right now because the poor kid often gets the short end of the stick, both inside of the show and by the writers themselves. :/ They just don't give a crap about him apparently. I mean seriously, even if they weren't ever gonna show him again at least have them be somewhat concerned that hey, Adam fell into the cage too and is suffering as well. He is still your half-brother and all, at least show that you actually care about other people other than yourselves, please. kthx.

It's not surprising this show doesn't think ahead in that department though. They're either for plot devices or they're not there at all, one of their MAJOR flaws that I am fed up with, to be honest.

I MISS MARKSHA SFM! And yes, while I liked Adam I wished they would have had Marksha still be Lucifer and Matt as Michael, because Matt was freaking awesome playing Michael!John. Either that or they could have done Sam!Lucifer and Dean!Michael and not whatever they did in that finale (still hate that finale btw, so lame).

[silverusagi]

Everyone needs Christmas Cas! :)

(I have the post with Xmas icons in my memories, spn--icons, last post added, I think.)

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

SERIOUSLY. FOR REAL NOW. And dude, if there were to be a spin-off with the angels and the mytharc I would so want Marksha to be featured all the freaking time with everyone else that has been neglected by the Show. Supporting and secondary characters ftw.

Actually, that's one of my theories that while everyone is trying to get their asses back in gear on the ground with their own same-old boring issues, Lucifer and Michael are actually being productive and moving things alone and gonna bring Sam and Adam back and be all "well, y'all weren't doing shit so we decided to do your work for you!" and that? Would get serious lulz from me, because it would be more entertaining than the show has been currently.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Poor Adam always gets the short end of the stick. I feel more bad for him than Sam or Dean at this point, because everyone keeps forgetting about him. D: WE REMEMBER YOU ADAM, DON'T WORRY! PRAYER CIRCLE FOR ADAM RIGHT NOW.

Does soulless Sam really remember anything from being in hell? He doesn't want to talk about it, but I wonder if he doesn't have any memories of it at all so he's got no clue what's going on there.

I've been wondering this myself. But Sam apparently wasn't in Hell (solitary confinement of Lucifer's cage that is) that long anyway, since didn't he say he rose immediately the day he fell in? That wouldn't have been enough time. Unless he was lying, or that when he was pulled out soulless he chose not to remember anything or if that was part of the deal, which would be sketchiness upon sketchiness of him. Which could be expected from him now because he's without his soul, but I don't think that should be excusable if there's something he's hiding.

I wonder how they're going to explain Adam/Lucifer/Michael/Sam's soul all being together when it finally surfaces. It'd also be interesting to see how Sam will react to his memories of his time without his soul when he gets it back. It'd be even more interesting if for some reason he doesn't remember anything from when his soul was gone.

The whole soul situation is more complicated and confusing because the show isn't exactly clear on what this actually means. There is no solid groundwork for the mythos regarding it, and even though they are unclear within the show itself about what it means with Sam being without his soul, they keep on being inconsistent with the information that I'm just like ENOUGH WITH THIS ALREADY! At least with Joss Whedon shows there was an easy explanation or guideline regarding someone having or not having their soul. This seems like...such a mess, like the season itself currently. But whatever.

[icecoldrain.livejournal.com]

HARRY POTTER!SAM PRAYER CIRCLE FOR ADAM. Even if they don't have Jake Abel back for an episode yet/at all, they could at least mention him since it's not like they'd do a flash to what's going on and they'd need him to appear. (Which actually, it would be interesting if they did do that but lol they won't)

I was under the impression that time is different so even if he was there for an hour, it'd be way longer than an hour on earth time. So whatever is going on, he'd at least know a little more than everyone else.

idk, I don't think this was thought out properly. They need an epic battle at the end to make up for this lol. And it's still funny that Marksha was perfect, and Jared was the weird zoolander version when he was being inhabited lol.

[carameltrap.livejournal.com]

I like to think they Lucifer and Michael will engage in some fisticuffs for the first several years (since time in hell passes differently) before coming to some sort of grudging brotherly bonding. Silly aside, the writers are forgetting about Adam. He's still stuck down there, people. Not only that, there is no peep from the brothers about him. None from Sam, I get since he's a soulless automaton but Dean? Did you forget? When are they going to bring him up?

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I honestly would love to see Jake Abel again, even for a split second or something on the show. Same with Marksha. But alas, I doubt that will ever happen. Granted there have been some characters returning this season without us knowing, so maybe there might be a possibility? *crosses fingers* Nevertheless, there needs to be some concern over Adam because his character? More tragic than both the brothers combined. For real. :(

I was under the impression that time is different so even if he was there for an hour, it'd be way longer than an hour on earth time. So whatever is going on, he'd at least know a little more than everyone else.

This is true. Perhaps we'll know more about this as the season goes on, since whatever comes out of soulless!Sam's mouth I don't trust at all. Even if he doesn't have a filter he's a lying liar who lies, and perhaps he does know more than he's letting on.

They really haven't thought it out clearly, same with how they poorly handled the Apocalypse last season. Get your shit together, show. Seriously. -__-

They need an epic battle at the end to make up for this lol. And it's still funny that Marksha was perfect, and Jared was the weird zoolander version when he was being inhabited lol.

I totally agree. With the trainwreck this season has been lately, an epic all-out battle would totally make up for all the wrongdoings. Oh, and making this season the last season because I don't think I could stand another season of this kind of same-old shit with melodramatic nonsense. Even with Castiel + my favorite supporting characters involved.

And lol, you are so right. Marksha was perfect as Lucifer, Jared was idek.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Heh, that seems like the popular theory, Lucifer and Michael fighting before suddenly coming to a truce and just end up chilling and talking.

But yeah, I really dislike there hasn't been ONE MENTION of Adam since this seasons started. Even in the premiere you'd think Dean would have at least asked about Adam since Sam had returned from the cage. But nothing. It makes me even more disappointed in the show for the lack of consistency and continuity. I wouldn't be surprised that they hardly bring him up because he's no longer a plot device, why would they bring him up anymore? *rolls eyes*

I doubt it'll happen, but if they do manage to mention him even in passing during a conversation I'll be shocked and surprised.

[icecoldrain.livejournal.com]

Same here. Jake Abel return! I hope he'll be back, but I'm not counting on it. It'd be funny if they completly forgot he existed when they get Sam's soul back in a LOL THEY DID FORGET ABOUT HIM way.

I know, Adam is just doomed XD

We'll just have to wait for Castiel to solve it then, soulless Sam is odd. He did bring on the lulz in the last episode though, hopefully this season will go up instead of down after this.

They need to bring the Apocalypse back, and have an epic battle like there was supposed to be last season. I hope they don't bring it back for a seventh season(even though I'll probably watch it if they do).

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

God, it really is all about Sammy isn't it?

That should tagline of the show, unfortunately. :/

So maybe Sam and Adam are bonding and getting to know eachother, and they're just knocking back warm beers while watching Michael and Lucifer wrestle.

lol, I really like this theory because I can totally see it happening. In fact, if the show had a larger budget, I wouldn't mind seeing this storyline play out. ;p

[carameltrap.livejournal.com]

Yes, that! Sam's back, so Dean should have said, 'Where's Adam?' but instead, nothing. I understand that his apple pie life was turned upside down but I'm disappointed. Not even a tiny bit mention?

I realise that they probably have a rotation of different writers for each episode but surely there is someone who will check it for consistency or at least remembered the other Winchester brother who was dragged into the epic mess last season.