Michael and Lucifer downtime?

[rogueslayer452]

I'm actually wondering, since Lucifer and Michael are still trapped in the cage, would they be succumbed to having a little brotherly bonding time, or fighting it out as they were supposed to have done and then, after years Hell-time of duking it out, they start bonding and making amends? Also, assuming that Sam's soul is still trapped in there as well (however they plan on explaining that), would he be kind of playing referee? Hey, what better way spending solitary confinement with two archangels trying to sort out their brotherly and familial differences. It would actually be a metaphor of the Winchesters, the fact they keep rehashing the same-old issues and it would take centuries for them to come to any kind of resolve or moving forward. Not that I like that direction they're still doing for them honestly, it's boring as fuck now, but whatever.

Also, I miss Marksha. ;___; Despite being an important factor last season they really underused him. I am sorely disappoint. MARKSHA COME BACK TO US!

They also need to mention Adam somewhere this season. Neglecting him is just making their continuity failings even worse. Just saying.

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[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Oh Lord, those that think Sam and Dean are the only reasons people should watch the show are definitely annoying, like I get preferences and all, but lately the Winchesters have been boring me, I prefer my angels and the mythology more thank you very much. Though mostly, the hardcore fanatics that are always like YOU EITHER PRAISE THE SHOW AND DON'T TALK NEGATIVELY ABOUT IT OR GTFO are really irritable and irrational because it's like, I can't have an opinion without being slammed for it, and God forbid I actually have thoughts and legitimate concerns over what the show is doing.

THERE TOTALLY NEEDS TO BE A SPIN-OFF BECAUSE SERIOUSLY, WITH ALL THE CASTIEL LOVERS AND SUPPORTERS OF THE ANGEL MYTHARC STUFF, I BETCHA ANYTHING IT WOULD DEFINITELY SUCCEED BEYOND ANYONE'S EXPECTATIONS. ESP IF THEY GOT JEREMY CARVER TO BE SHOWRUNNER OF IT. TRUFAX.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I think we're gonna get more into it the second half of the season, at least that's what I've been hearing since Misha will be featured more in the latter half than he has been lately. So I'm holding out hope that we'll see some progression of the civil war playing out on our screens. I've been more interested in the angels and Heaven since they first introduced it in the fourth season, because that's an interesting development of their mythology. Problem is the show hardly goes more in-depth with their newest additions sometimes. Hell, we don't even know much about demons and their own hierarchy and they've been part of the show since the beginning. So, yeah, you know.

I thought the tagline for this season sounded so awesome 'angels and demons in a lawless landscape' (paraphrasing), but I guess I kind of pictured more of a wasteland.

lol, I love how misleading all their taglines seem to be, making it seem more interesting than it actually is. I mean the coverart/posters for the S5 DVDs make it seem like it was some epic battle or something which, yeah, we all know nothing happened there. XD

Not that I dislike this season, I love it. But I'm loving it for individual episodes and not the season in it's entirety. For me it lacks direction. But that's so far. It'll probably pick up. I'm still totally excited over it every week, but I don't know.

Personally, that's the main reason why this season isn't working for me at all due to all the inconsistencies and lack of direction. I like my shows to have something to show that yes, they know what they're doing instead of feeling scattered and all over the place which is precisely what this show has been feeling this season, even midway last season I knew that they didn't have any clue where they wanted to go with things. I used to be excited for the show every week, however I'm feeling myself drifting further away and dreading certain things because it feels like even the writers don't understand what is going on. Hence all the inconsistencies in the writing and characterization and whatnot.

Now, perhaps they do have a plan of action, but it's just not translating well with however they are going about structuring this season at all. I know I shouldn't place the blame entirely on Sera Gamble, but she was appointed showrunner and that premiere she did was godawful and horrible, that was the main indicating factor for me that this season would be everything I feared it would become. :/

Also, I really don't like that I'm not connecting with Dean as much this season.

Same here. I love Dean, but there's so much inconsistency with his character ever since they dropped his character storyline last season and decided to go into this domesticated/softer/whinier-yet-being-an-asshole-to-everyone kind of mode which IS NOT the Dean Winchester we've known and loved. I loved Dean when he actually had a storyline, now it's just bullshit he needs to get over and actually man up again because all this "epic mainpain" is just ridiculous.

That I mostly blame on Gamble because she wanted that for his character (thankfully they didn't do what she originally wanted, but this version still makes me cringe....)

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I almost thought season 5 was going to be too disconnected, just an escalation rather than a culmination (because I didn't know anything about the 5 year plan), but then you get to see stuff that's been there since the beginning, that all ties up together

I think that was the intention from the beginning though, since Kripke planned for five seasons of course they would have to make sure things wrapped up. I was looking forward to S5 being the last season because of it, seeing how it all fit together and you can definitely see that. However towards the end I realized that they just weren't getting anywhere fast and decided to smoosh everything together at the last minute because they were too busy not taking the apocalypse seriously for most of the season. :/

And yeah, a battle would have been awesome. Maybe that's what they were gonna have, and then the budget stopped them :/

But I remember distinctively during one of the interviews from the 100th episode party that they mentioned the finale would definitely have a larger budget and would be epic, instead it was all wasted on the special effects for blowing Castiel up and Lucifer's cage. And even with that, they don't really need special effects or a large budget to have some kind of battle to take place. It would be nice to have something explosively awesome, but they could have done I don't know, something.

By premier, do you mean the first episode?

Yes. The sixth season premiere episode.

I mean, I loved 'The Kids are Alright' and 'What is and What Could Never Be', because they explored that in his character, but that was the exploration, and I think delving into this much has just ended up sucking.

Exactly, those episodes were purposefully supposed to show us that Dean definitely would like to have a normal kind of family life, to live like everyone else without all the weight and worry that he often carries. I mean, I don't blame him for wanting it. But there's a huge difference between wanting something and actually having it, and those episodes showed us that despite wanting it he can never ever have it and he understood that. So why rehash it to him being all disappointed that that "life" (which was an entire lie, he was still living the hunter life even without hunting the way he normally did) when he knew immediately it wasn't the life for him? I just, no.

If they really wanted and insisted Dean to go off and live a normal life after that finale, they should have at least had him doing so on his own instead of what they did here. Because that would have been more sensible and that would have been the Dean Winchester we knew, esp after everything that had happened.

What did she originally want?

I'm not entirely sure of all the details regarding what she wanted but, judging from what I've read and have been told, she apparently wanted Dean to be more softer and domesticated than what we got him to be, and for Sam to take over the show (she is a self-proclaimed fangirl of Sam and tends to favor him more than Dean, as her writing suggests she butchers characterizations really well) and yeah. It would have been far too AU, more than it has been already, because she tends to like things to go her way in terms of the writing than how things have been going continuity-wise.

I don't trust Sera Gamble at all in general, as you can tell.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I haven't rewatched it, so I can't really say, but yes, there were a fair number of episodes that didn't do anything at all, and whilst they might have been entertaining (esp if they were back in previous series), they just felt like they were procrastination, and then as always happens with procrastination, there was a big rush at the end.

Which you'd think you know, with a biblical apocalypse and all, they would be at least somewhat more serious with the entire dealio.

And in one year, he's really not gonna have changed that much. Certainly not if he's still hunting.

But hunters can't stay away from hunting. They go mad, they get killed, or they grow old without ever getting the peace they deserve. Mary wanted the same things as Dean, look how that turned out. Oh, and Sam too.

Exactly. Which is why this "domestication" is kind of bullshit, so why should he be all angsting over something he should have already known wouldn't even last? I honestly would have preferred it if he had tried to have made a life for himself instead of imposing on someone elses, and still kind of being a hunter without having to lie about who he is. At least that would have been more believable, imo.

I can see how Sam taking over a little more might be a good thing, because some of the show is kind of Dean-centric (but I don't know if that's just because I'm such a Dean fangirl that I see him before I see Sam).

Hmmm, I consider the show to be more Sam-centric in some ways, mostly with everything revolving around his issues rather than anything else (ex. the Something Is Wrong With Sam is getting rather old, to be honest) while the show has shifted somewhat Dean-centric in terms of perspective. But even with the brothers working together it's been mainly focusing on Sam the entire time, which is why I preferred the fourth and half of the fifth season because Dean actually had some involvement in the mythology that was separate from worrying over his brother.

All in all, I do wish that the show could balance having the brothers have their own storylines yet still work together without there being some kind of push/pull or whatever else. Which I thought there would be progression in that, and some of the episodes and how they're written it can be at times, but others not so much which makes it rather inconsistent.

I think if they wanted Dean to live a normal life, then season 6 never could have happened.

True, but with this show you never know what they're thinking of doing, esp in terms of directions. Hence me being nervous and worrisome with what they've been doing with this season.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Though mostly, the hardcore fanatics that are always like YOU EITHER PRAISE THE SHOW AND DON'T TALK NEGATIVELY ABOUT IT OR GTFO are really irritable and irrational because it's like, I can't have an opinion without being slammed for it, and God forbid I actually have thoughts and legitimate concerns over what the show is doing.'
You know, I thought the exact same thing in the Real Ghostbusters when Fangirl!Becky laid into Lars (the guy who complained about the show). I really hate fans who think that if you criticize the show AT ALL you should just shut up.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Yeah, because in their minds criticizing the show means you hate it and since it's their "precious show" you shouldn't even be a fan anyway if you're gonna say anything remotely critical. Mostly I'm just like lol, whatever. At least I care about the show enough to make certain criticisms and acknowledge the flaws that are occurring instead of mindlessly praising it.

Granted there are casual watchers of the show that don't really care either way, and hey that's cool. Everyone watches for different reasons. However, nobody should tell me how I should watch something or how I should react to what I watch.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Mostly I'm just like lol, whatever. At least I care about the show enough to make certain criticisms and acknowledge the flaws that are occurring instead of mindlessly praising it.'
True, true. Although I don't tell people they're wrong for thinking that the show is perfect, so I wish they wouldn't tell me I'm wrong for thinking the show has its flaws. The day I stop critizing the show will be the day I stop watching entirely.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Exactly. It's something I'm reminded of regarding Battlestar Galactica because I absolutely loved it. While there were some issues here and there and I acknowledged them, I felt like it was a brilliant series from beginning to end. But not every fan felt that way. There were plenty of hardcore fans bitter towards the end and while I understood it and sometimes disagreed with some of what they said, I would never tell them that their opinion was invalid or that they weren't a "true fan" of the show if they dismissed it. It's how they feel, same with me.

I get that sometimes people feel the need to express themselves and perhaps get others riled up, but let's think maturely here. What would any of that accomplish? Just live and let live, fandom.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'I get that sometimes people feel the need to express themselves and perhaps get others riled up, but let's think maturely here. What would any of that accomplish? Just live and let live, fandom.'
Maturity in fandom, that's just crazy talk. seriously though, I wish more people would live and let live in fandom. No matter WHAT you think of a show there will be at least one person out there that disagrees.