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rogueslayer452Supernatural 6.08 "All Dogs Go To Heaven"
Reluctantly working for Crowley as he proposes a job for them to find an Alpha on their next case, the Winchesters discover a brash link of dead bodies with missing hearts, believed to be werewolf attacks. However the more they investigate it turns out that it isn't werewolves at all, but Skinwalkers, with their forms shaped into a dog. The one in particular, named Lucky, is captured by the boys and getting information about his "pack leader" which, incidentally, is the Alpha Skinwalker. Lucky tells the plans the Alpha has for all in the pack that they will turn their "families" at the same time, creating more Skinwalkers. They get Lucky to help them so they can take out the Alpha Skinwalker, though it turns into an all out gun and dogfight (literally) which results to Lucky getting injured, but the Alpha is dead.
Lucky returns back to the streets, hopefully to find himself another home, and Dean and Sam finally talk about Sam's deal which Sam admits that he isn't really Sam anymore. He doesn't give a shit about anything, and he feels better without that, but would like to be the old Sam again. The episode was overall kind of okay, nothing really new but the story was sort of sad.
Sam Winchester And His Soulless Confessional
Apparently Sam admitted that he really isn't Sam anymore, at least the Sam Winchester we once knew him to be. Which honestly we kind of already got that once the entire "no soul" thing was revealed, because honestly without a soul how can you be who you once were?
What's interesting about his confession though is that he probably wouldn't have said this had Dean not confronted him about it, like before. Dean knew that Sam was pretending to be still Sam and he had enough of dancing around the real issue, and Sam being caught red-handed yet again decided that he should just confirm that by confessing to it. I find it interesting what he says though, that he feels like Sam because of his memories and knowledge, but it really isn't him. This has me confused on what a soul particular means in this universe and what it translates to when someone is without their soul. This show really hasn't given any concrete groundwork for that aspect of the mythos at all, which is really bugging me. At least the show has acknowledged the confusion over it, but you'd think after six seasons there would be something to go on.
Another thing I'd like to address is Sam admitting that he just didn't give a shit about anything or anyone, and openly admitted that he'd done horrible and terrible things like killing innocents during hunts, and he just doesn't care. Being an efficient skilled hunter at the price of empathy and his own humanity of his soul, which he also admits that he probably thought about not wanting his soul back because he wants to stay like that. The fact it hurts with all the moralizing he used to do. I'll be honest, even though I do want Sammy back I kinda like this version of Sam; less with the bitching, emoing, throwing temper tantrums and having a chip on his shoulder and more of him just being an efficient hunter and getting shit done. I guess it goes back to the "reversal" aspect this season apparently is going for, he's acting more like Dean from the earlier seasons (except without the soulless part), and I think Jared is doing great since he plays this part rather well.
However, I still don't trust him.
Sam has openly lied to Dean many times since this season began, and has only admitted to the truth after getting caught or being confronted by his brother. It's like what Crowley said, this Sam would definitely sell his brother out for a dollar just for a soda if he wanted to, and there are times during this season where I honestly think Sam wanted to. Also, it got me to thinking that it's because of Sam's influence that has fucked Dean up during this last year because of his "not giving a flying fuck" about anything. How are we supposed to trust him now because of all this? Just because he's told the truth doesn't mean he won't lie again or do something else, since obviously he has other motives. He could say one thing but do another.
Someone mentioned that even without a soul, this version of Sam has been building over the seasons for some time, and I agree. Sam has been losing his sense of morality for a long time, and him without a soul completes it. What will happen once he gets his soul back? That is the biggest question.
Dean Winchester: Stop Moping And Grow A Pair
One of the biggest annoyances I had with this episode was they paralleling Lucky's issues to Dean's, because honestly I am sick and tired of them going back to that domesticated life nonsense. It didn't sense before and it still doesn't make sense now.
From a continuity standpoint I understand why it had to be included, however I thought we had been over this already? Dean needs to start manning himself up and stop dwelling over something he can't do anything about. Lisa doesn't want him around anymore, he knows that he endangers them every single time he's around them because like everything Winchester-related danger follows them around like tails on a dog, it is just inevitable, and he admitted to it deep down during the truth spell incident. So why is he continuing this emo bullshit still? It's an attachment of sorts, I get that, even though there's hardly any ties between them other than living with them for a year, I guess I just don't understand why the show needs to bring Lisa and Ben up constantly. Twice already this episode had Dean looking at his phone and Sam mentioning their names at the end when he simply could have just said he didn't care about anything or anyone, including his own brother.
I love Dean Winchester, I really really do. He's my second favorite character next to Castiel. However I don't like his character direction this season or why there even needed to be a domesticated storyline for him anyway, let alone a year time-jump; for the surprise of his brother being back I can get, but I feel like they needed to have Dean not be his hunter self and all this domesticated bullshit and I just, no. Sorry, that doesn't compute.
Unless the show is deliberately trying to say that Dean is more fucked up than ever before because of the less-than-smart choices he's made, I just don't really see the point. It's a wasted storyline when there could be other interesting factors added to it.
Dean? I love you and always will, but fucking get over it. Or more specifically, Sera Gamble? Fuck you for not even caring about his characterization one bit when creating this scenario. >:|
Yes, I am rather opinionated on the subject, and I know that some people have enjoyed seeing domesticated!Dean and I would too if the entire situation wasn't so randomly placed and without much development on either side, and that it actually made sense which this does not. I want Dean to be happy, but it has to be a life that he wants to live for himself without the entire thing being a falsehood, which is what the last year has been for him. A life based on a promise he made which isn't what he really truly wanted. Which seems to be a common theme for certain characters, and I'll get to that later. But yeah. I just hate the entire thing and I wish that they would have Dean just move on and stop with the melodramatics because that shit just is boring me to tears, and it's also an insult to his character, imo.
Memorable Moments of the Episode
++ CROWLEY BEING A SEXY BITCH, AS USUAL. ♥
The entire conversation in the food market of the restaurant was spectacularly done. I think it's because I love seeing Crowley, Dean and Sam sitting together at a fast food joint talking business. And Crowley sitting backwards on a chair? Awesome. Everything about that scene was very awesome. It still places questions about the limitations of Crowley's abilities now with his King of Hell status, and whether he really truly does have Sam's soul (I say he doesn't, but we'll see), but seeing the boils effect was nifty. Still wished we saw more of Crowley though, especially what he had to say after the events of the hunt and why they didn't deliver to him. But seeing Mark Sheppard is always a win in my books. Just needed some Castiel, that's all. ;p
++ Dean, stop being a hypocrite. You worked with demons before, hell you worked with Crowley himself before. Remember, last season? While this might be under different circumstances, you were his pawn then and you are now, so stop acting like this is a blasphemous thing to do.
++ Jared was surprisingly good in this episode. Again I'm not normally a fan of Sam, and Jared's acting can be questionable at times, but he was rather good here. I think I prefer him with the vacant snarking than the emotional puppying/hilarious raeg!face he does most of the time.
++ Boy still needs a serious haircut and to shave those hideous sideburns though. Just saying. *kanye!shrug*
++ Again, the emotionless snark was perfection. Jared really gets into this role of soulless!Sam really well, and this episode kind of shows how much fun he has with it.
++ The entire time with the Skinwalker stuff I kept thinking....Sam Merlotte? I mean seriously, I know I am not the only one who thought that.
++ Sniper!Dean was definitely awesome. This isn't the first time we've seen him with a sniper rifle, I remember in the earlier seasons he handled one. But it's been a long time since then and seeing him, up high targeting on someone was definitely one of the highlights of the episode for me. But you know what's even better than sniper!Dean on the roof? Sniper!Dean + handgun:
Double the gun!porn = me likey. ♥
++ I was legitimately sad seeing this scene:
While the entire concept of the Skinwalkers taking on "families" only to turn them to have more in the pack was creepy enough, especially with seeing Lucky earlier in the episode kind of watching the woman as a dog in a stalker-ish manner and killing her boyfriend, I was legitimately sad for him by the very end. It's an unfortunate heartbreaking story, and I think what got me was that very last scene with him and the woman. I mean, honestly, she was in the right for being angry and slamming the door in his face, but I think it's just him knowing she would do that be apologizing and thanking her anyway that really got to me. Like he felt the need to have it be said without her knowing the entire story, or even accepting his words. He just needed to say them out loud for her to hear to he could move on with himself. And seeing him turning back into a dog and wandering off was also heartbreaking....I thought he would have committed suicide by getting hit by a car or something, but I'm glad he didn't. I like that he's off into the world now. It's a bittersweet ending for him, which I liked.
++ Something was missing though.....
Overall: It was an okay episode, not the best and it certainly was more filler than anything, but it was one of those episodes that could have been boring had it not gone the way it did. I think they did good with handling the Skinwalker concept and the Lucky story, I felt that was the most genuine thing to come out from this episode was his story. Crowley continues to be entertaining, Dean continues to be a dick and dwelling over stupid shit, Sam also continues to entertain me with his soulless snarky humor, and of course he wants to become the other Sam which I hope we get more answers soon regarding the whole soul situation because I am lost on what it still means. Either way, I thought this was a good episode considering how it could have gone.
Also, is it just me or have the episode titles for this show this season kind of risen to ridiculous levels? Between these, the official show score song titles and the new promos they have out now (you know, the over-photoshopped and airbrushed AU!promo), I somehow feel like it's become a parody of itself. I don't mind that the show is finally getting more publicity and all but, idk. It feels rather weird to me.
Anyone remember these promotional photoshoots from like the earlier seasons, or even this fantastic S1 promo? Whatever happened to having those, huh? Variety CW, we need some.
Reluctantly working for Crowley as he proposes a job for them to find an Alpha on their next case, the Winchesters discover a brash link of dead bodies with missing hearts, believed to be werewolf attacks. However the more they investigate it turns out that it isn't werewolves at all, but Skinwalkers, with their forms shaped into a dog. The one in particular, named Lucky, is captured by the boys and getting information about his "pack leader" which, incidentally, is the Alpha Skinwalker. Lucky tells the plans the Alpha has for all in the pack that they will turn their "families" at the same time, creating more Skinwalkers. They get Lucky to help them so they can take out the Alpha Skinwalker, though it turns into an all out gun and dogfight (literally) which results to Lucky getting injured, but the Alpha is dead.
Lucky returns back to the streets, hopefully to find himself another home, and Dean and Sam finally talk about Sam's deal which Sam admits that he isn't really Sam anymore. He doesn't give a shit about anything, and he feels better without that, but would like to be the old Sam again. The episode was overall kind of okay, nothing really new but the story was sort of sad.
Sam Winchester And His Soulless Confessional
Apparently Sam admitted that he really isn't Sam anymore, at least the Sam Winchester we once knew him to be. Which honestly we kind of already got that once the entire "no soul" thing was revealed, because honestly without a soul how can you be who you once were?
What's interesting about his confession though is that he probably wouldn't have said this had Dean not confronted him about it, like before. Dean knew that Sam was pretending to be still Sam and he had enough of dancing around the real issue, and Sam being caught red-handed yet again decided that he should just confirm that by confessing to it. I find it interesting what he says though, that he feels like Sam because of his memories and knowledge, but it really isn't him. This has me confused on what a soul particular means in this universe and what it translates to when someone is without their soul. This show really hasn't given any concrete groundwork for that aspect of the mythos at all, which is really bugging me. At least the show has acknowledged the confusion over it, but you'd think after six seasons there would be something to go on.
Another thing I'd like to address is Sam admitting that he just didn't give a shit about anything or anyone, and openly admitted that he'd done horrible and terrible things like killing innocents during hunts, and he just doesn't care. Being an efficient skilled hunter at the price of empathy and his own humanity of his soul, which he also admits that he probably thought about not wanting his soul back because he wants to stay like that. The fact it hurts with all the moralizing he used to do. I'll be honest, even though I do want Sammy back I kinda like this version of Sam; less with the bitching, emoing, throwing temper tantrums and having a chip on his shoulder and more of him just being an efficient hunter and getting shit done. I guess it goes back to the "reversal" aspect this season apparently is going for, he's acting more like Dean from the earlier seasons (except without the soulless part), and I think Jared is doing great since he plays this part rather well.
However, I still don't trust him.
Sam has openly lied to Dean many times since this season began, and has only admitted to the truth after getting caught or being confronted by his brother. It's like what Crowley said, this Sam would definitely sell his brother out for a dollar just for a soda if he wanted to, and there are times during this season where I honestly think Sam wanted to. Also, it got me to thinking that it's because of Sam's influence that has fucked Dean up during this last year because of his "not giving a flying fuck" about anything. How are we supposed to trust him now because of all this? Just because he's told the truth doesn't mean he won't lie again or do something else, since obviously he has other motives. He could say one thing but do another.
Someone mentioned that even without a soul, this version of Sam has been building over the seasons for some time, and I agree. Sam has been losing his sense of morality for a long time, and him without a soul completes it. What will happen once he gets his soul back? That is the biggest question.
Dean Winchester: Stop Moping And Grow A Pair
One of the biggest annoyances I had with this episode was they paralleling Lucky's issues to Dean's, because honestly I am sick and tired of them going back to that domesticated life nonsense. It didn't sense before and it still doesn't make sense now.
From a continuity standpoint I understand why it had to be included, however I thought we had been over this already? Dean needs to start manning himself up and stop dwelling over something he can't do anything about. Lisa doesn't want him around anymore, he knows that he endangers them every single time he's around them because like everything Winchester-related danger follows them around like tails on a dog, it is just inevitable, and he admitted to it deep down during the truth spell incident. So why is he continuing this emo bullshit still? It's an attachment of sorts, I get that, even though there's hardly any ties between them other than living with them for a year, I guess I just don't understand why the show needs to bring Lisa and Ben up constantly. Twice already this episode had Dean looking at his phone and Sam mentioning their names at the end when he simply could have just said he didn't care about anything or anyone, including his own brother.
I love Dean Winchester, I really really do. He's my second favorite character next to Castiel. However I don't like his character direction this season or why there even needed to be a domesticated storyline for him anyway, let alone a year time-jump; for the surprise of his brother being back I can get, but I feel like they needed to have Dean not be his hunter self and all this domesticated bullshit and I just, no. Sorry, that doesn't compute.
Unless the show is deliberately trying to say that Dean is more fucked up than ever before because of the less-than-smart choices he's made, I just don't really see the point. It's a wasted storyline when there could be other interesting factors added to it.
Dean? I love you and always will, but fucking get over it. Or more specifically, Sera Gamble? Fuck you for not even caring about his characterization one bit when creating this scenario. >:|
Yes, I am rather opinionated on the subject, and I know that some people have enjoyed seeing domesticated!Dean and I would too if the entire situation wasn't so randomly placed and without much development on either side, and that it actually made sense which this does not. I want Dean to be happy, but it has to be a life that he wants to live for himself without the entire thing being a falsehood, which is what the last year has been for him. A life based on a promise he made which isn't what he really truly wanted. Which seems to be a common theme for certain characters, and I'll get to that later. But yeah. I just hate the entire thing and I wish that they would have Dean just move on and stop with the melodramatics because that shit just is boring me to tears, and it's also an insult to his character, imo.
Memorable Moments of the Episode
++ CROWLEY BEING A SEXY BITCH, AS USUAL. ♥
The entire conversation in the food market of the restaurant was spectacularly done. I think it's because I love seeing Crowley, Dean and Sam sitting together at a fast food joint talking business. And Crowley sitting backwards on a chair? Awesome. Everything about that scene was very awesome. It still places questions about the limitations of Crowley's abilities now with his King of Hell status, and whether he really truly does have Sam's soul (I say he doesn't, but we'll see), but seeing the boils effect was nifty. Still wished we saw more of Crowley though, especially what he had to say after the events of the hunt and why they didn't deliver to him. But seeing Mark Sheppard is always a win in my books. Just needed some Castiel, that's all. ;p
++ Dean, stop being a hypocrite. You worked with demons before, hell you worked with Crowley himself before. Remember, last season? While this might be under different circumstances, you were his pawn then and you are now, so stop acting like this is a blasphemous thing to do.
++ Jared was surprisingly good in this episode. Again I'm not normally a fan of Sam, and Jared's acting can be questionable at times, but he was rather good here. I think I prefer him with the vacant snarking than the emotional puppying/hilarious raeg!face he does most of the time.
++ Boy still needs a serious haircut and to shave those hideous sideburns though. Just saying. *kanye!shrug*
++ Again, the emotionless snark was perfection. Jared really gets into this role of soulless!Sam really well, and this episode kind of shows how much fun he has with it.
++ The entire time with the Skinwalker stuff I kept thinking....Sam Merlotte? I mean seriously, I know I am not the only one who thought that.
++ Sniper!Dean was definitely awesome. This isn't the first time we've seen him with a sniper rifle, I remember in the earlier seasons he handled one. But it's been a long time since then and seeing him, up high targeting on someone was definitely one of the highlights of the episode for me. But you know what's even better than sniper!Dean on the roof? Sniper!Dean + handgun:
Double the gun!porn = me likey. ♥
++ I was legitimately sad seeing this scene:
While the entire concept of the Skinwalkers taking on "families" only to turn them to have more in the pack was creepy enough, especially with seeing Lucky earlier in the episode kind of watching the woman as a dog in a stalker-ish manner and killing her boyfriend, I was legitimately sad for him by the very end. It's an unfortunate heartbreaking story, and I think what got me was that very last scene with him and the woman. I mean, honestly, she was in the right for being angry and slamming the door in his face, but I think it's just him knowing she would do that be apologizing and thanking her anyway that really got to me. Like he felt the need to have it be said without her knowing the entire story, or even accepting his words. He just needed to say them out loud for her to hear to he could move on with himself. And seeing him turning back into a dog and wandering off was also heartbreaking....I thought he would have committed suicide by getting hit by a car or something, but I'm glad he didn't. I like that he's off into the world now. It's a bittersweet ending for him, which I liked.
++ Something was missing though.....
Overall: It was an okay episode, not the best and it certainly was more filler than anything, but it was one of those episodes that could have been boring had it not gone the way it did. I think they did good with handling the Skinwalker concept and the Lucky story, I felt that was the most genuine thing to come out from this episode was his story. Crowley continues to be entertaining, Dean continues to be a dick and dwelling over stupid shit, Sam also continues to entertain me with his soulless snarky humor, and of course he wants to become the other Sam which I hope we get more answers soon regarding the whole soul situation because I am lost on what it still means. Either way, I thought this was a good episode considering how it could have gone.
Also, is it just me or have the episode titles for this show this season kind of risen to ridiculous levels? Between these, the official show score song titles and the new promos they have out now (you know, the over-photoshopped and airbrushed AU!promo), I somehow feel like it's become a parody of itself. I don't mind that the show is finally getting more publicity and all but, idk. It feels rather weird to me.
Anyone remember these promotional photoshoots from like the earlier seasons, or even this fantastic S1 promo? Whatever happened to having those, huh? Variety CW, we need some.
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Date: 2010-11-14 04:12 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-11-14 04:25 pm (UTC)Agreed, I still like Dean, but I don't like the OOC!Emo!Dick-to-Cas Dean that Sera seems to love. Sadly I was excepting OOC!Dean this season, I just didn't think it would be THIS bad. I've never thought that Sera really 'got' Dean as a character. As much as it would piss me off on behalf of Lisa and Dean as characters, I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if Dean goes back to Lisa (and she takes him back) at the end of the season. If that happens canon SPN will officially be dead to me and I'll stick fanfic. Dead I say.
'I somehow feel like it's become a parody of itself. I don't mind that the show is finally getting more publicity and all but, idk. It feels rather weird to me.'
Agreed. Personally I think the only reason SPN is getting more promo stuff is because Dawn O REALLY wants that seventh season so she doesn't have to cancel SPN and Smallville at the same time.
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Date: 2010-11-14 04:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-14 04:58 pm (UTC)I just don't like this version of him. I just can't like him. Effing soul, how does it work.
Also, it's been a while since I've really wanted to punch Dean. Good lord, pal, just stop. D: Although the ending scene (which was fantastic, imo, not to mention the beginning!) made the anger I felt kinda go away.
Still think it was a rather boring episode. Felt kinda filler-ish. The show has definitely drifted off into very unknown territories. It feels like the same, yet it doesn't. IDK if that makes any sense. I'm not sure I approve of everything that's been happening.
Lucky :( :( he made me sad.
I'll tell you a secret; I don't hate the sixth season as much as most people seem to do and so on- but I'm slowly leaning towards the fact that Swan Song should have been the real end.
I love that S1-promo. ♥
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Date: 2010-11-14 05:36 pm (UTC)I think it says something about the writing when you care more about the secondary characters like a dog than the two main ones.
Sam has openly lied to Dean many times since this season began, and has only admitted to the truth after getting caught or being confronted by his brother. It's like what Crowley said, this Sam would definitely sell his brother out for a dollar just for a soda if he wanted to, and there are times during this season where I honestly think Sam wanted to. Also, it got me to thinking that it's because of Sam's influence that has fucked Dean up during this last year because of his "not giving a flying fuck" about anything. How are we supposed to trust him now because of all this? Just because he's told the truth doesn't mean he won't lie again or do something else, since obviously he has other motives. He could say one thing but do another.
Someone mentioned that even without a soul, this version of Sam has been building over the seasons for some time, and I agree. Sam has been losing his sense of morality for a long time, and him without a soul completes it. What will happen once he gets his soul back? That is the biggest question.
It's seems kinda ironic that Sam losing his morals feels IC but I have a feeling that even if had his soul, he still would have gone down this road. Sam is more alike his father than he ever wanted to admit.
Also, someone else on my friends' list pointed out to me that the writers of the show apparently have no idea what a soul is let alone what is for. I mean not having emotions (well, positive ones) but not being able to sleep? What's up with that?
Like you, I love Dean but his character direction this season is such a joke to me. This is NOT the Dean Winchester I fell in love with. This is just some carbon copy.
Honestly, at this point, the only character I care about right now is Castiel and I have a feeling his storyline is going to be like it was last season with a whole bunch of tell and not showing which is irritating since his storyline is the most interesting so far.
Also, is it just me or have the episode titles for this show this season kind of risen to ridiculous levels? Between these, the official show score song titles and the new promos they have out now (you know, the over-photoshopped and airbrushed AU!promo), I somehow feel like it's become a parody of itself. I don't mind that the show is finally getting more publicity and all but, idk. It feels rather weird to me.
No, it's not just you. This season is like fanfic only really bad fanfic. It's ridiculous and one of the reasons why I stopped watching.
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Date: 2010-11-14 05:50 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-11-14 05:54 pm (UTC)I agree. I used to be such a Dean/Jensen girl,but Jared has really grown on me. Makes sense, since the boy is a freaking redwood!
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Date: 2010-11-14 05:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-14 05:56 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-11-14 06:13 pm (UTC)Yeah. I used to watch all the episodes (even the bad ones) but now when I miss an episode it doesn't bother me because it doesn't seem like I'm missing much. At least I have new shows to look forward too.
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Date: 2010-11-14 06:30 pm (UTC)I just hate what Sera Gamble did with his character, from bringing Lisa back randomly last season to this. Such disservice to both characters really. -__-
I'm still saying "hell no" to a seventh season. Why do we need it? We don't. There's nothing left to tell, this purgatory stuff could have been added last season had they had the sense of handling the apocalypse properly. But they didn't. So, idk. :/ I feel like the story is overdue for being over with, should have ended last season in my honest opinion. Or you know, if they wanted to do this kind of continuation there should have been a televised movie.
And then a spin-off with Castiel. That would have been good. ;)
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Date: 2010-11-14 06:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-14 06:48 pm (UTC)idk, Dean was with Lisa for a year. It's probably the longest he's ever been with anyone that wasn't family. I can't see him letting Lisa go quick. She's the one woman he was with for a long period of time, and it ended on her terms, not his. The way they're going about is a bit lame, but I'm sure it'll fade out soon.
I wonder what this war that so many supernatural beings are preparing for is about. I've got some theories, but I'm pretty sure none of them are it lol.
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Date: 2010-11-14 06:48 pm (UTC)About the souls. Sam's soul is gone, but...Crowley also had Bobby's soul at one point, right? Did Bobby still have his soul and Crowley just left his mark on it? Or did he actually take Bobby's soul away from him...leaving him soulless. See, with that question, I feel like there's huge inconsistencies with the way they're handling this soulless!Sam thing. It feels like their changing the rules to fit the storyline, and the not explaining things to us as they go along.
*shrug* IDK
I have had fucking enough of Dean's bitchy, whiny, pouty, hypocritical attitude. I'm sick of seeing him mope around, pining over people he shouldn't be as attached to as they're trying to make us think he is. And the whole deal with him being so against working for Crowley is just ridiculous! I can understand him being angry. I can understand him being reluctant to do it again, because yeah Dean, hello, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST DEMON RODEO YOU'VE BEEN TO! But good freakin grief, just get over it already! Stop bitching! DX
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Date: 2010-11-14 06:56 pm (UTC)True. I think the only thing I'm looking forward to this season is Castiel and Crowley (and some of the other minor characters) because Sam and Dean just don't feel like Sam and Dean anymore and they keep rehashing brotherly angst. Hopefully Cas and Crowley will have at least one scene where they actually interact.
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Date: 2010-11-14 06:57 pm (UTC)There are times when I understood why Dean was acting the way he was. The last two seasons were particularly rough with all the weight he was carrying, I didn't mind him being in that kind of a state because he had reason for it. But now? It's like dude, get the fuck over yourself already, stop emoing and stop being a dickwad to others. Someone really needs to smack some sense into him.
I'm still uncertain about this season. I'm not sure where it's headed and it's all scattered with what they're doing. I'm trying to see if they're gonna pull themselves together before I make a final judgment but otherwise, I might lump this as my least favorite season next to S3.
They need more promos like that one, dammit. If the network seriously wants another season (huge DNW from me) they need to make use of their promoting skills that doesn't include overdoing ridiculous photoshop and airbrushing.
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Date: 2010-11-14 07:08 pm (UTC)I'm just tired of them rehashing the Lisa situation because it's so stupid and unnecessary. Why even bring her back, just for his "woe is me" lack of a storyline? That is not our Dean Winchester, sorry show. He needs to man up and move on. If we wanted melodramatic shit I'd watch soap operas dealing with that concept....
I wonder what this war that so many supernatural beings are preparing for is about. I've got some theories, but I'm pretty sure none of them are it lol.
One of my theories is that because of them averting the Apocalypse it disrupted the natural order of things in the universe and rifts have been shifted, which is why all these supernatural creatures we haven't seen before are now emerging, and the only way to stop it is to create another apocalypse and one that will set things right. Does that make sense? Ever since the beginning of this season I've formed that theory because, despite them not getting to anything fast with the mytharcs, I figured that would be the connection between what is happening with these creatures and what is happening in Heaven. So, yeah. Idk.
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Date: 2010-11-14 07:10 pm (UTC)I can see what you mean. At first it was the whole confusion and wait what and the bunch of questions around Sam, who pulled him out and all, now that we have answers, I'm left with only feeling dislike.
It's like I understand why he's being dick- certainly I wouldn't be a Nice Guy in his situation for the last .. two and a half seasons- yadda yadda but still. So much grumbling and whining about things and yelling at people who are only trying to help is not helping him feel any better. I do hope he snaps out of it, sooner or later. Preferably sooner.
Yeah, I'll wait until the whole season is over, or most of it to judge it completely. It's still rather early to say anything final, after all. At least we've gotten some answers, not all of them predictable. IDK, might go next to S2 as my least favourite one for me.
Their promos are usually so short- or just plain dull, that one is fantastic. More like it would be glorious.
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Date: 2010-11-14 07:28 pm (UTC)Yep. What really gets me is not only did Sera do a disservice to both characters (Lisa in particular) but that relationship really added nothing to the show other than more manpain for Dean. At this point I would take Sera sticking Sam with fangirl!Becky (and I hate fangirl!Becky) if that meant Dean/Lisa just went away.
'I'm still saying "hell no" to a seventh season. Why do we need it? We don't. There's nothing left to tell...'
True, but this wouldn't be the first show that Dawn O has run into the ground.
'Or you know, if they wanted to do this kind of continuation there should have been a televised movie.
And then a spin-off with Castiel. That would have been good. ;)'
That would work :D
'I feel like the story is overdue for being over with, should have ended last season in my honest opinion.'
Yeah. It seemed like the first five were really building to something, and now it seems like they don't know what to do.
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Date: 2010-11-14 07:50 pm (UTC)About the souls. Sam's soul is gone, but...Crowley also had Bobby's soul at one point, right? Did Bobby still have his soul and Crowley just left his mark on it? Or did he actually take Bobby's soul away from him...leaving him soulless
From my understanding, when someone sells their soul through a deal their soul isn't taken from them, but rather placed "on hold" by the demon that you made the deal with. Like, marked in a sense until your years are up and they repossess it as part of the bargain. Dealing at the Crossroads it's usually ten years, after those ten years are up then your soul gets collected. In Sam's case it's more difficult because it seems like he didn't make a deal, his soul is just....gone. Which makes it hard for me to believe that Crowley took it without Sam's knowledge or permission (unless it's the soul that has that knowledge, and whatever is left is just that empty shell).
However yes, I agree. There's hardly anything supporting this because of the little information we have regarding souls on the show. It irritates me because they seem to be inconsistent. It's becoming more along the lines of "oh look, this seems interesting let's go with that!" instead of keeping up with the continuity.
ITA with your rant about Dean. I love him but dammit, this direction for his character is such a waste. I understood why he had been bitchy seasons before, but here there is absolutely no reason why he should be like this. It's just, yeah. I mostly blame Sera Gamble and the writers for doing this to him, which is what I was terrified they would do after bringing Lisa back last season for no other reason than to setup this nonsensical crap. BRING BACK OUR BAMF DEAN WINCHESTER SHOW, ENOUGH WITH THIS WHINY EMO BULLSHIT.
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Date: 2010-11-14 08:06 pm (UTC)I think it says something about the writing when you care more about the secondary characters like a dog than the two main ones.
It really really does. It's unfortunate to even say, but the fact of the matter is I look forward to seeing these secondary and supporting characters more than our main guys, because I feel like we've been around this circle so many times with them that I'm starting to get dizzy. Enough already. At least with Sam he was entertaining with the snark, but that's about it.
It's seems kinda ironic that Sam losing his morals feels IC but I have a feeling that even if had his soul, he still would have gone down this road. Sam is more alike his father than he ever wanted to admit.
I agree with this sentiment completely. He would have certainly continued down this path where he is now, and there's tons of evidence backing this up based on his previous actions. And it makes me wonder once he gets his soul back would it change anything at all? Would he feel bad for the things he'd done?
Yeah, the writers definitely don't know which way is up or down anymore concerning the soul situation. They are just making shit up as they go along, at this point. It's more along the lines of "oh this looks cool!" and flowing with it. Who cares about it making sense as long as it's cool, right?
No, it's not just you. This season is like fanfic only really bad fanfic. It's ridiculous and one of the reasons why I stopped watching.
And I can understand why. I mean I'm still watching it, mostly for supporting characters like Bobby and Castiel and Balthazar and Rufus and everyone else, but things are just flat out ridiculous. The descriptions for some episodes are just, whyyyyyy? D: