It's that time of year again, folks.

[rogueslayer452]

Yep, it's that time of year where announcements for the cancellation/renewal of shows, and some are more disappointing than others. Unfortunately, Agent Carter and Galavant have been cancelled. The latter I'm not surprised, considering I think even they were surprised that it gained a lot of popularity after the first season (which I thought was going to be more of a limited series rather than something ongoing), and even had a meta song in the finale. So even though I'll miss how fun and hilariously entertaining it was, the show was wrapped up quite nicely. Agent Carter, on the other hand, deserved a third season because I was hoping they would get into more about Peggy developing SHIELD and everything in relation to that. In addition to that, Marvel's Most Wanted, the Agents of Shield spin-off focusing on Bobbi Morse and Lance Hunter, has also not been picked up to go to series. It's ridiculous considering that they keep flip-flopping on it, since it was first announced earlier last year before being vetoed by the network, but then they took back their initial statement and it was a go, so much that this season of Agents of Shield they gave the characters an emotional sendoff, only for their spin-off to be cancelled before it even began. I guess they'll have to bring them back somehow.

Supergirl has officially been renewed for a second season, however it'll be moving from CBS to the CW. I'm on the fence of this decision, considering that this news means that there will be budget cuts and possibly actors/characters being cut as well, and I'm wary about how CW handles their shows. However, someone wrote a very good analysis on this particular decision and the overall aspect of television networks in general, which I found rather interesting.

Castle has been cancelled, which would be sad but due to the behind-the-scenes mess it's actually more of a relief. It's kind of awkwardly sad to admit, but you know, they dug their own graves by doing what they did. Though unfortunately, Sleepy Hollow didn't learn their lesson since it has been renewed for a fourth season. Just, the sheer audacity of them thinking that the show is worth anything without Abbie Mills, who was the main character and co-lead.

And apparently, CBS passed on the updated Nancy Drew series (with Sarah Shahi) because, guess what? It had too many women in it. Sexism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

Comments

[icecoldrain.livejournal.com]

I was hoping that Agent Carter was going to get a third season, but I felt like it was likely not going to come back all season long. Sad, but I'm not surprised by the news.

I'm really excited that Supergirl has been renewed. I don't mind that it's changing networks, but I am interested in seeing how they work with the budget cuts after hearing what their season one budget was.

Ugh, I've been reading about why CBS passed on the Nancy Drew series all morning! -_-

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I know it was practically a miracle it had a second season, and while it did well with the loyal fan following it had, I don't know if the ratings were doing that well. And some people weren't impressed with the second season and wished it remained focusing on her organizing SHIELD and everything. So I'm definitely sad, but thankful that the show at least got the chance that it did and we got to see Peggy shine on the small screen.

I'm actually quite surprised at how expensive it was to produce the show to begin with, or at least how expensive it got as the series started gaining more popularity. I know that smaller budget doesn't always mean decline in quality (because good storytelling is good storytelling no matter what budget), but I'm more concerning about losing vital characters because of it.

Ugh, isn't it so infuriating? The fact that "men didn't like it" because it had "too many women" is the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard. Also, CBS had Supergirl which had not just a woman superhero but also focused a lot on women in general and it had plenty of feminist messages and themes and it became a massive hit. So, they really have no excuse other than being sexist pricks amount bypassing Nancy Drew.

[sherrilina.livejournal.com]

Eh I don't think the CW handles their shows any worse than other networks--if anything I would say it does a better job! And it is a lot more forgiving of lower ratings and allows for more genre than other networks.

I was super sad about Galavant, if really grew on my in season 2. And ugh I hadn't heard the news about Sleepy Hollow yet but that is very disappointing and annoying to hear, WTF?? I usually am bad at dropping shows but I think I may make an exception here. But yeah, once Castle fired Stana of course it should end.

[erychan86.livejournal.com]

I'm actually glad Supergirl is going to move to the CW because: CROSSOVERS! I love crossovers and now Kara and Berry can meet again and have icecream \O/

But wow that analysis was very interesting! Thanks for sharing... :)

[afastmachine.livejournal.com]

Oh lordy. Neither Galavant nor Agent Carter suprise me, but I agree with you for sure about wanting to see Peggy actually start SHIELD. I wanted to see more of the history of SHIELD than we got.

I'm just glad that Supergirl isn't dying! I really enjoyed it. It's too bad because I loved that it was a fun show on a big network, but I can see why they moved it. I did enjoy that linked bit though!

What HAS been happening with Castle? I used to watch, pretty religiously, actually, up until about the time Kate got shot. It just fell off my radar after that.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

That is true, and the link I shared above does explain how this move can actually be more beneficial than if it remained on CBS, since the CW pretty much renewed all of their programs earlier this year. I guess sometimes when they do that, though, it allows shows that have declined in quality (writing and direction-wise) to continue on when it should have stopped at some point, and I don't want that to happen with Supergirl. But if the showrunner/producers of the show are careful, they won't let that happen.

I stopped watching Sleepy Hollow early in the second season, and I'm thankful I did because hearing about how they continually sidelined and mistreated Abbie (the main freaking character) to the point where the actress wanted to leave due to such disrespect, I was officially done. The show held much promise in the beginning, but after the creator/showrunner and a good chunk of the writers left after the first season the show went downhill so fast, completely missing the point of why people loved and watched the show and why it was initially praised. They took all of that away. :/

[icecoldrain.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was pretty surprised and excited when it got a second season. I think the ratings weren't that great for this season, but I didn't follow them so I don't know for sure lol. I know that a lot of people weren't happy with this season, but I'm glad that Peggy got her own series. I've got her Funko and everything lol.

Same here! I'm rather surprised at the budget. I wonder what's going to change as the series moves on with a smaller budget. I also wonder how much the set cost since I read how expensive one of the Gotham sets was a while back. I was like, holy crap!

YESSSSS. I'm like, seriously?! I hope it gets picked up by another network and does extremely well, showing them that it was a crazy dumb reason to pass on it.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I actually really do want to see Kara visiting Barry's universe, because they said it was a possibility and their interactions were so cute.

You're welcome!

[sherrilina.livejournal.com]

IMO this season was actually pretty good--in some ways I enjoyed it even more than season 1! Abby and Jenny have a great storyline with her dad for instance. But then again I was never suuuuper into season 1 aside from towards the end. (The history aspect really irked me--yes, it is fiction, but when so many jokes are premised on Crane correcting people on their history it doesn't really work to have things be so wildly inaccurate. And I don't mean the supernatural elements, I mean things like placing the Boston Tea Party, probably the most famous protest leading up to the war IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WAR or having people in a 16th century colony speak Old English, aka what they had spoken 4-5 centuries before -- though strangely they were able to later quote Shakespeare despite him having had to speak ~Old English~ in this universe as well! /rant)

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I mean, even if it meant it were to be the last season I for sure wanted a third season to explore those beginnings to at least tie into the MCU.

That was one of the things I liked about it being on CBS, too. It was a big network with a superhero show that became hugely successful. But I understand the reason for the move, since the CW is more lenient when it comes to genre television and is where most of their DC superhero shows reside at the moment.

What HAS been happening with Castle? I used to watch, pretty religiously, actually, up until about the time Kate got shot. It just fell off my radar after that.

I have no idea what's happening within the show itself, because I stopped watching a long time ago. I know that Beckett and Castle got married, but that's about it really. Outside of the show and behind the scenes, however, it was announced that Stana wouldn't be coming back for what would've been the ninth and final season of the show (basically they fired her), and rumors that she and Nathan weren't getting along and how he was approached for negotiations before her, and how Beckett was somehow going to die in the finale, etc. Essentially, everything was a mess.

[ellipsisms.livejournal.com]

...what Sleepy Hollow was renewed? I was 10000% sure that it would be canceled!

What is wrong with people?! The ratings are going to be in the negatives next year!

[interchanges.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping we'll maybe get some flashbacks in SHIELD about Peggy starting it? Since Hayley Atwell's still working for ABC, hopefully it wouldn't be too hard to have her film a few scenes here and there. Still, I'm so glad we got a second season, but I definitely would've wanted Agent Carter to go on for so much longer, it was so good.

But if they don't bring back Bobbi and get rid of Hive/Ward for next season, I may no longer watch SHIELD at all, it's been so boring lately (and I hate hate how they're teasing this upcoming death. I follow the Marvel channel on YouTube and they put up a video for each main character contemplating if they're going to die and it makes me so angry).

I still can't believe that after barely getting its s3 renewal that Fox renewed Sleepy Hollow for s4 after killing off Abbie. They're crazy.

That "too female" comment was ridiculous. All but one of the pilots CBS picked up star men. I guess that's why they got rid of Supergirl, can't have shows with female leads on their network >__>

[awakenyourfaith.livejournal.com]

Ugh. I'm gutted about Agent Carter being canceled. It really grew on me, and now it's gone.

Thank you for sharing that analysis. It's very concise and well thought out.

[egelantier.livejournal.com]

poor sleepy hollow; it's such a pity it never got past the first seasons! such a beautiful, promise-filled show, imagine how much better it could become.

::cries::

[silverusagi]

I was hoping they would get into more about Peggy developing SHIELD and everything in relation to that

I know. I really wanted to get into her and Howard starting SHIELD.

Supergirl has officially been renewed for a second season, however it'll be moving from CBS to the CW

I was surprised at how much I liked Supergirl, and how they really resisted falling into a stereotype character with Kat. So I'm kind of miffed about it moving networks, afraid it will become 'a CW show.'

Though unfortunately, Sleepy Hollow didn't learn their lesson since it has been renewed for a fourth season

Whaaaaaaat? Why? No. Just, no.

[ragnarok-08.livejournal.com]

I'm still upset that Agent Carter got cancelled - it was a such a great show.

It had too many women in it. Sexism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

Fucking damn it!!

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

It's a combination of being a blessing and a curse, since it's true that the CW doesn't operate the way other networks do and cancel shows if they under-perform, ratings-wise, considering they recently renewed all of their shows no matter where they were on that scale, allowing certain shows to have their chance to shine which wouldn't be possible on bigger networks. However, the longer a show continues on the more likely it'll basically lose the audience. I mean, this is true for any show no matter what network, but I hope it doesn't happen with Supergirl and the people running the show are smart about the story they're telling and when the appropriate time to end it before the network milks them dry like some of their other programs.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Seriously, considering that it barely got renewed for a third season, I would've thought the vocal fan outrage over what happened with Abbie Mills being killed off, you know, their main character, would have clued them in that the show needs to be canceled. There is no Ichabod without Abbie, there is no show without these two together.

It's stupid and insulting, really. I hope it crashes and burns and gets pulled due to nobody watching.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_profiterole_/]

I'm sad about Nancy Drew. I never knew the books, but I kept hearing about them in US shows (like Amanita in Sense8) and it was going to star Sarah Shahi, so I was definitely planning on checking it out.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

That would be pretty awesome if she appeared in flashbacks on Agents of Shield. They did so previously before her own show premiered, so they could do so again. I also liked that they mentioned Peggy's death on the show too, tying it into Civil War, so it's a possibility that they can do more flashbacks even if just to see how SHIELD itself was developed.

I really want Bobbi back, since she was part of the team and I loved her interactions with the characters. But I agree, Hive/Ward needs to go. I hate it whenever shows tease for a major death of a character, because they draw it out so much and it's such a predictable show move in general.

It's so surprising since FOX is notorious for canceling shows too quickly, and now they're suddenly deciding to keep a low-budget, lowly rated show? Especially after killing off a popular main character that fans have been rallying behind to get better representation and treatment? IDEK anymore....they basically turned the show into another White Male Show. They turned it into Supernatural, showcasing their racism and sexism. Just, no.

(I wished Tom Mison had quit the show too after Nicole's departure; they can hire a new Ichabod or whatever. Tom and Nicole had amazing chemistry, you cannot recreate that relationship and partnership that was vital from the show's beginnings.)

I just don't understand their logic since apparently the pilot for Nancy Drew did well with tested audiences, so wouldn't that mean it's a go? Who do they think shows are generally for? Who brings the ratings to their network? Oh that's right, the audience. I mean, Supergirl became a massive hit and rose in popularity for a reason, because the audience loves the show. Just, ugh.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

It was such a fun show, filled with tons of lore and a solid diverse cast which so much potential and promise. It's definitely too bad that it lasted only one season, I would've liked to have seen the direction it would have gone. Also, Ichabod/Abbie = OTP forever. ♥

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I know. I really wanted to get into her and Howard starting SHIELD.

I'm hoping that there's a chance there are flashbacks to that in Agents of Shield, since she's guest-starred before in a brief flashback, and it would tie beautifully into that creation of which our beloved agents reside. I just wish that we had a third season to explore that, or had the second season do that.

I was surprised at how much I liked Supergirl, and how they really resisted falling into a stereotype character with Kat. So I'm kind of miffed about it moving networks, afraid it will become 'a CW show.'

Supergirl pleasantly surprised me in every way possible. I mean, I adored the pilot and instantly was all in, but the show really found its pacing and footing and it became so much more than I could have imagined. It has a strong cast, amazing women characters who are multifaceted and have relationships with each other (Kara and Alex with this sisterly relationship, Cat Grant being just amazing all around) and while it went into some dark areas and had some good emotional moments, it never delved into the grimdark that other shows do, especially with things in relation to DC comics. I also really enjoyed the crossover with The Flash, since Kara and Barry were the most adorable dorks ever.

Even though not all CW shows suffer from the network (Nikita and currently Jane the Virgin being the most notable ones in my mind), I do have this worry that it'll get caught in the network trap and follow the same formulaic format that is the default of all their programs. I understand the necessity of the move, and I do appreciate that the CW doesn't operate the same as other networks esp when it comes to genre television, but I am still wary nonetheless.

Whaaaaaaat? Why? No. Just, no.

My thoughts exactly. Who is gonna watch it, though? Since almost everyone who once loved and praised the show has left, especially now since they took away everything that once made the show great.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

And Sarah Shahi was going to be the first non-white person to portray Nancy Drew, as well. I'm hoping that it can find another home for it, if not, it's just another wasted opportunity. :(

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

Urgh I heard that about the Nancy Drew series, no wonder I don't watch any shows on their network!

[maybe.livejournal.com]

I was honestly shocked when I heard that Sleepy Hollow got renewed for a 4th season, I thought for sure after the outrage of killing of Abbie - they would just axe it. I will say tho, I feel bad for whoever they cast to take Abbie's place because that actor is bound to get so much hate before the show even returns.

CBS passed on the updated Nancy Drew series (with Sarah Shahi) because, guess what? It had too many women in it. Sexism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.
What in the actual fuck? I saw the news about CBS passing on it but didn't read the articles - they actually listed that as a reason? I can't even. :/

[dhampyresa.livejournal.com]

"It had too many women in it."

WHAT

I DON'T EVEN

I mean.

Uhm.

Granted I have never read a Nacy Drew book (/not from a country where they're a thing) but I still under the impression that they were heavily focused on female characters, so naturally an adaptation would follow that trend? IDK i'm confused.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

It's so pathetically ridiculous, honestly.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Apparently they are delusional in thinking that Sleepy Hollow is supposed to be featuring one protagonist, being a white male, than the mostly POC cast it originally had in the first season. And that's something that has really been pissing me off about this. They killed off and erased the majority of its diverse cast after the first season, placing their co-leading WOC actress on the sidelines, mistreating her to the point where she wanted off the show, killed off her character in the most disrespecting OOC way possible, and then they have the audacity to think that fans will continue watching? They are out of their damn minds.

What in the actual fuck? I saw the news about CBS passing on it but didn't read the articles - they actually listed that as a reason? I can't even. :/

Yep. And the ironic thing is that it did well with tested audiences, they liked it, but the men at the network felt so threatened by the presence of women that they just passed it on by disregarding the audience -- who the show is supposed to be for. Just, what kind of nonsensical bullshit is that?

[sictransits.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping I'll still enjoy Supergirl on CW. I wasn't too worried until people pointed out budget cuts and the filming location moving could lead to some of the cast not returning. I hope that's not what ends up happening, but I guess we'll see.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's mainly my biggest concern. Like, I can understand the move considering how expensive it was to produce the show in general, but cutting back actors/characters because of the budget cuts and new filming location is disconcerting. I'm also hoping that it doesn't end up happening and everyone is safe, because I love pretty much everyone involved with the show and to lose someone due to that would be absolutely heartbreaking.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I'm confused too, like, don't they realize and understand that Nancy Drew is a woman character and it would involve, well, women? Perhaps they thought it would just be Nancy herself surrounded by a lot of men in the cast? Like, I don't know what they were expecting for something that was incredibly woman-driven to begin with. Needless to say, their reasoning for bypassing it is incredibly stupid.

[giallarhorn.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of sad to see Peggy go, but I can't say that it's that surprising? S2 didn't seem to be nearly as strong as S1, and a third season would've been nice to make a complete arc but even a second season was high hopes.

Castle and Galavant getting cut were kind of expected as well, though Castle probably should've ended last season as it were. I'm curious about the Supergirl network shift, since it does mean that all the DC shows are now on a centralized network, which I'm guessing they're going to use for crossovers?

What baffles me the most is that of all the shows that did get canceled, how Sleepy Hollow managed to still survive (again?) to get a fourth season. What does that show have to do to finally die?

But seriously, Nancy Drew didn't appeal to men enough? Uh, what did you expect?

[rhoda-rants.livejournal.com]

I have a looooot of rage over Sleepy Hollow--the finale killing off Abbie to start, and then the fact that it got renewed. Like...how? Do they have money to burn or what? Because their audience is NOT THERE. Are they hoping to hook a less diverse audience in the fourth season somehow? No part of that makes a lick of sense.

Which is to say nothing of the Nancy Drew thing, which also fills me with rage. If it helps, I found this teen movie adaptation with Emma Roberts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfD-Cv-AGYY) surprisingly charming. I might rewatch that to keep the FLAMES at bay.

[teagues-veil.livejournal.com]

And apparently, CBS passed on the updated Nancy Drew series (with Sarah Shahi) because, guess what? It had too many women in it. Sexism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

Shaking my head sadly at that one. UGH.

[squint13.livejournal.com]

I'm really disappointed and sad that Agent Carter got cancelled. I was so looking forward to another season of her being awesome, and maybe seeing more about her starting SHIELD if we got that far, and, of course, more Peggy/Dottie interactions cause I'm a sucker for their dynamic. ^^
I'm not exactly surprised about Galavant, but I did hold on to some hope that it would get a third season. It did get a second, after all, but I guess that was enough. Still, at least it had a good ending. :D

Ugh, the Castle and Sleepy Hollow stuff. I'm not sure what either show/network was thinking tbh. Not having Stana back? Kiling Abbie? Like. No. What are you doing, stop your nonsense. D:

That reason for not picking up Nancy Drew is about the most ridiculous and infuriating thing I've heard. Who let these people open their mouths and say such a thing? Who let them make decisions based on such a ridiculous opinion? I can't even with this. I just. I really want that show to be picked up by some other network so it can be shoved in CBS face. And also because I want to see it; mainly that, but the shoving it part would be a great bonus. (Isn't CBS where POI is at? Which stars Shahi? ...They're such a confusing network to me right now. They need to go stand in a corner and think about their actions. *scowls*)
That stupid comment and reasoning is just really pissing me off. 'Too many women'; I- *flails* D:<
(icon in reaction to this obvs xD)

[silverusagi]

I enjoyed the Supergirl/Flash crossover so much that I started watching The Flash on Netflix. I'm only a few episodes in, though.

[sixphanel.livejournal.com]

Too Female. Fuck them, really.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Seriously. I'm glad that people seem to be calling CBS out on this misogynistic bullshit, but I don't know whether they'll change their minds. Perhaps it might get the pilot shopped to other networks, but I don't know. :/

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I'm glad that people are calling CBS out on it, but I doubt it'll do anything. It's just the most ridiculous statement ever made, and the stupidest reason to not pick up a show, especially since it tested well with audiences. Like? Makes no sense whatsoever.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Yeah, even though I know it was practically a miracle that there was a second season to begin with, but I was still at least hoping that there would've been a third season somewhere to wrap everything up. As fun as the show was, I was hoping to get more into the SHIELD stuff and how Peggy rose up with her legacy. Maybe we may have flashbacks to that in Agents of Shield, idk. Still, it makes me sad either way that we'll have no more Agent Carter.

I still can't believe that was a statement that was made. Then again, part of me is not surprised considering how sexist the industry is.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I really enjoyed Dottie in the second season, she certainly was the main highlight for sure. For a third season I definitely would've wanted more of that, along with Peggy returning to New York and seeing Angie again, because I missed her so much in the second season and I loved their friendship. I'm so sad that we won't be getting that anymore.

Galavant ended on a high note, and finished the story they wanted to tell. Sure, there was a bit of a cliffhanger, but it was small enough that it didn't leave us hanging when everything else was wrapped up beautifully.

I just can't with networks/showrunners who think that women are expendable. Whether it's killing them off (despite being the main character) or passing up on a show because it features more women. The industry is sexist, this isn't new, but it's still outrageous nonetheless. Like, it's 2016, how is this still happening? At least there has been outrage and backlash against these things, but will it be enough to change how these people think and do things differently?

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

They just don't understand the audience, at all, nor do they listen because after the mess they did with Katrina apparently they did it again with the other women characters brought into the third season. And of course sidelining the main leading character only to kill her off in the most OOC manner possible. Then whoever is running the show is acting as though this is a non-consequence thing, how this is Tom Mison's show, he is the main star and draw for the audience, blah blah blah. And it's like? How delusional can you be?

The fact that FOX renewed it after everything, from even a slim chance renewal third season at the start to the loud outcry from the entire fanbase in general from the treatment of Abbie Mills and other POC characters. Just the whole renewal now is quite a joke at this point. Ichabod Crane was not what drew in viewers in the first season. It was Abbie Mills and the Abbie/Ichabod interactions and relationship. The main reason the show got a lot of praise in the first place was because of how diverse and how groundbreaking it was that a black woman was the main character of a genre/paranormal television show. Not only did they do her wrong, they basically insulted Nicole Beharie (a Julliard trained actress, btw) by sidelining her and then acting as though she was ungrateful for wanting to leave the show after they continually mistreated her.

I mean, I stopped watching the show in the second season, but I'm still incredibly livid about what they did and it's baffling that it got renewed after everything. Who is the target audience now? Because it sure hell ain't the former fans because they won't be watching this mess.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's disappointing but even with a strong fanbase it had I'm not entirely sure the ratings were good enough for it to get renewed, unfortunately. It sucks because I wanted more of Peggy starting things with SHIELD and everything, including returning to New York and seeing Angie again (because I loved that friendship so much), but alas. I'm hoping that at least we can have small snippet flashbacks in Agents of Shield or something to tie in everything with the SHIELD creation and origins, since they have mentioned her several times on the show before.

I'm curious about the Supergirl network shift, since it does mean that all the DC shows are now on a centralized network, which I'm guessing they're going to use for crossovers?

Apparently upfronts just happened and they announced there is going to be a massive crossover with all their DC superhero shows. It leads me to wondering how that'll work. I'm definitely here for more Barry and Kara interactions since they were adorable, especially if she gets to meet Iris, and I've been thinking about Kara meeting Sara Lance, but I'm not certain I want Kara anywhere near the world of Arrow, simply because I don't want her dealing with Oliver Queen's nonsense. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

What baffles me the most is that of all the shows that did get canceled, how Sleepy Hollow managed to still survive (again?) to get a fourth season. What does that show have to do to finally die?

Seriously. I'm just so angry and confused. It shouldn't have been renewed after they killed off the most vital character of the entire show, even if Nicole wanted to leave for a while, the people behind the show are at fault for treating her the way they did for her to basically want out of the situation. I'm gonna laugh so hard when the show ends up getting pulled when they have so low ratings. It's just really ridiculous in general, because FOX is very unforgiving with shows that don't do that well, ratings-wise, even if a show is exceptional and gets a lot of fan and critic praise. So the fact that it got renewed despite the public fan outcry and not so great ratings has me rather suspicious.

But seriously, Nancy Drew didn't appeal to men enough? Uh, what did you expect?

And looking at their lineup for the fall, it's all testosterone and none of it looks good at all. Most I think will end up getting cancelled because they look super dumb. Nancy Drew could've saved y'all, but nope, you allowed your sexist opinions bypass something that could've been fantastic (and it sucks because Supergirl basically proved that something can be woman-centric with feminist messages and succeed in the best way? and yet, even though it found a new home on the CW, they basically let it go as well? SMH CBS.)

[koyaaniisqatsi.livejournal.com]

I'm so excited about Supergirl being renewed but pretty bummed about AC. Ah well, at least I can still see Hayley in another show.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

It's quite a dilemma, really. I'm glad that Hayley has another job so we can still see her beautiful face on our screens, but at the same time I'm really gonna miss her as Peggy Carter. I know there may be a chance of having her guest in more flashbacks in AOS, but I really wanted more of her story and Agent Carter was such a fun little show. I just wished the second season did more with her legacy regarding SHIELD, and I wanted to see her back in New York.

We did get two seasons worth of her though, and even if it did deserve another season I'm thankful of what we got nonetheless.

[afastmachine.livejournal.com]

Oh wow, that IS a mess. I heard though from someone that the finale ended up not being that bad, so they did salvage what they good. That's good enough for me I think.

[giallarhorn.livejournal.com]

That's what I was thinking- it'd more or less get continued on AoS, since it has been by and large working to set up larger plots for MCU so far. Also, with the death of the show comes the death of Dottie and basically our only insights into the Black Widow/Red Room program, since we're maybe never getting a proper movie for that.

Isn't Barry the one who does the whole universe crossing stuff, while Arrow stays mostly internalized? Or do they have universe hopping stuff as well with Constantine introduced and Legends of Tomorrow? If the former, I'm puzzled how they'd drag in Arrow into the mix.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Also, with the death of the show comes the death of Dottie and basically our only insights into the Black Widow/Red Room program, since we're maybe never getting a proper movie for that.

So true. :( Part of me really wants there to be a Netflix series focusing on just that, mostly an origin story of Natasha and her origins. I feel like that would be much better than a solo movie which will have limited amount of character exploration. But alas, 'tis just a dream at the moment.

Isn't Barry the one who does the whole universe crossing stuff, while Arrow stays mostly internalized? Or do they have universe hopping stuff as well with Constantine introduced and Legends of Tomorrow? If the former, I'm puzzled how they'd drag in Arrow into the mix.

From my understanding, Arrow was pretty much the introduction to The Flash, with both were an introduction to Legends of Tomorrow (having characters from both shows appearing and being a team), so they all exist in the same universe (known as the Arrowverse). The Flash introduces us to the concept parallel universes (including alternative versions of existing characters) and messing with timelines, whereas Supergirl exists in a different alternate universe, which Barry found himself in. That was something uniquely done for their crossover, and will probably find a way of doing it again underneath this planned massive one coming up.

So, in short, due to the convoluted nature of the DC multiverse, Arrow, while it does only deal with itself most of the time, can crossover with other shows when necessarily needed. Does that make sense?

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I mean, there are weird rumors floating about how Netflix might pick up Agent Carter? Which wouldn't be an unprecedented move, since they've already got rights to the entire sub section of the Defenders.

Ahh, that makes a lot more sense now. I guess I'm curious of how Supergirl is going to tie itself in if it's existing in a parallel universe, whereas the other three shows are coexisting in one shared universe.