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Day 02: Your least favorite character

Anna Milton

Just, ugh. I hated everything about this character from the moment she was introduced. She just had no point or purpose whatsoever, she just stood there and did nothing and was just annoying to the max. Her storyline was lame and sucked so hard that I practically pretend it never existed in the first place (I mean, grace in a tree? Seriously Kripke, seriously?) and the actress herself was just so painful to watch, such cardboard acting it was embarrassing. I've disliked characters before, but never on this kind of level of outright irrational rage that I have with her. I mean seriously, every time she appeared on the screen I wanted to punch her in the face, with her being incredibly self-righteous and acting like some special little snowflake when in reality she was incredibly irrelevant and amounted to nothing whatsoever to the show. So yeah, I'm glad they killed her off as brutally as they did. Good riddance.

ALSO? BITCH KILLED URIEL. URIEL WAS FAR MORE INTERESTING OF A CHARACTER THAN HER STUPID ASS, BECAUSE AT LEAST HE HAD PERSONALITY AND WAS PRODUCTIVE AND SHIT, OH AND THE ACTOR COULD ACTUALLY ACT AND NOT BE SO DAMN WOODEN WITH EVERYTHING. UGH WHY SHOW, WHY GET RID OF FANTASTIC CHARACTERS ONLY TO KEEP THE STUPIDLY WEAKEST ONES? FFS GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT SHOW, JFC. >:/

Runners up: Lisa, who is to a lesser extent because I liked her before they meaninglessly brought her back to fuck everything up with her character. For that I blame the writers. -__- Ruby v2.0 because that was such a disappointment and letdown from how awesome she had been in the third season. Also Grandfather Campbell, because he's a sketchy douchebag who needs to get his story straight. In fact, most of the Campbells really I just don't like in general. I also have to say Sam Winchester in these later seasons. I don't hate him, but I don't love him either. I'm mainly just indifferent towards Sam these days, which might get me burned at the stake for saying so in this fandom, but that's just how I feel.


Rest of the 30 Days of Supernatural Challenge.

In slightly more upbeat news, upcoming episode spoilers are happy-making. \O/ I love that Jim Beaver is kinda like the Gossip Girl of the entire SPN fandom. He just likes revealing all sorts of stuff, and thinking he might not get in trouble for it. ;p COME TALK WITH ME ABOUT THIS BBS, LET US SPECULATE AND MAKE CRACK THEORIES ON THIS!

Date: 2011-01-13 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
She kinda had did have potential, but they wasted it. I would have been okay with her if 1. She hadn't had sex with Dean (I mean come on. I didn't see the ~connection~ so many seemed to see between them)
2. She hadn't come back in season 5. (although we did get to see young Mary being BAMF and fighting Anna) Pointless, pointless, pointless.

I like Julie, but she wasn't given much to play with either. I cheered when she killed Uriel though and cheered when she was killed. There's only like.. three characters I hate without no mercy in this show though. Hmm. (Nope, Ruby 2.0 or Bela ain't either of them)

Date: 2011-01-13 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
JIM BEAVER IS AWESOME. :D I LOVE HIS TWEETS (and his and Misha's Tweeting banters sometimes, it's hilarious fun!)

Date: 2011-01-13 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
There was no connection or chemistry between them at all. Again, it was such a contrived and pointless storyline just for that horrendously bad scene to occur, which we shall all scrub from our brains now okay? They practically ruined Titanic for me now because of that cringe-worthy ridiculousness. -__- The only reason people liked that scene was because Jensen got shirtless. That's it. If people wanna be shallow that's fine, but come on. That was just terrible. There was hardly anything between Dean and Anna anyway. It was about the same kind of ~connection~ between Sam and Madison, completely forced and painfully awkward and stupid.

I was kind of expecting, if they were going to bring her back, that Anna would actually get to do something productive this time if they were gonna finally kill her off, as a sendoff that hey, they got to do something with her character after all that time wasted in S4. BUT SHE DIDN'T. SHE STILL STOOD AROUND LIKE SOME STUPIDASS WITH HER SLOW-MO WALKING AND STIFF ACTING. LIKE WTF IS THIS SHIT?! I definitely cheered when she was killed.

The concept of a fallen angel would have been great had it been handled better, with an entirely different direction or possibly a better actress. But then again, this is Supernatural. They rarely give women characters anything decent enough to work with anyway. Which is an unfortunate flaw with the show itself. Such a waste.
Edited Date: 2011-01-13 04:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-01-13 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
Exactly! And as much as I don't mind seeing Jensen without a shirt, it could have happened in better circumstances. Imo it was a ridiculous scene and the hand on the ~foggy window~ made me laugh. And not in a good way. I even liked Madison more than her and she was only on episode... Anna was wasting our time in many more.

I wouldn't agree on that all the women are gone to waste, but anyhow, that's not the point. Can't always have nice things and one terrible character doesn't ruin a whole season or an episode.

Date: 2011-01-13 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
She was such a waste in general, which is a pity because it would have been a great opportunity to learn more about angel mythology. Instead it turned more into a "wah wah woe is me I hated being an angel have sex with me" kind of episode which, dnw and utterly pointless.

I wouldn't agree on that all the women are gone to waste, but anyhow, that's not the point. Can't always have nice things and one terrible character doesn't ruin a whole season or an episode.

True, not all women characters on this show have gone to waste since there have been some pretty awesome females. Though some of the recurring ones have either sidelined or screwed over at some point or another, which is unfortunate indeed.

Date: 2011-01-14 02:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
It was about the same kind of ~connection~ between Sam and Madison

I don't know why they insist on making everything so Meaningful. Did Sam feel awful about having to shoot some girl? Of course. But two days is not enough to love someone!! Seriously, there's nothing wrong with portraying the boys having an interest in someone and having a one night stand with her, nor is there anything wrong with a mature female character who decides she wants to have a fun night. So I don't know why they keep trying to make girls in random towns so Serious.

Date: 2011-01-14 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
So I don't know why they keep trying to make girls in random towns so Serious.

BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF ~DRAMATIC IMPACT~ OR SOMETHING. IDK.

But I'm right there with you. What has irked me about the show is how they treat women or treat these kinds of situations where it seems like there's something deeper or meaningful when it clearly isn't. Perhaps they think that since there's a high percentage of women watching the show there needs to be an ~~emotional connection~~ or whatever. Which is ridiculous, embarrassing and insulting.

Date: 2011-01-14 08:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
Which is ridiculous, embarrassing and insulting.

YES. One of the things I liked about Supernatural was that there was no romance factor. You didn't have all this relationship drama. And really, the boys' lives just don't lend themselves to relationships of any sort. They're on the move too much. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Date: 2011-01-13 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwaevalarin.livejournal.com
Wow, I knew you hated Anna. I wasn't aware you hated her that much. *lol*
I feel pretty indifferent towards her, to be honest. I don't mind her, but I don't mind that she's not around any more either. *shrugs*

About Sam: I used to be a major Sam!girl in the first seasons. But then Cas came along and stole my heart. And somehow, Sam didn't just get pushed back to being my number 2, I pretty much, slowly but surely, stopped caring about him. I still like him and I still care about Sam'nDean to some extend, but I find him slightly boring now. Except for when he is souless and has hilarious lines. ;)

Love the new spoiler. It has Cas, which is the most important part, and it has our old married couple. This promises to be a lot of fun.

Date: 2011-01-13 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Heh, well. Like I said it's an irrational kind of hate I have for the character. She's the only one of the entire show I have those kind of feelings towards. But she's no longer part of the show anymore, so it's all good. ;)

I was pretty neutral about Sam, I thought he was cute in the earlier seasons and I love the brother dynamic both he and Dean have together. You can't deny the sibling relationship. But Sam as a character has been dwindling from my interests, which I don't know if it has to do with character direction or what, but I'm just pretty meh about him these days.

Love the new spoiler. It has Cas, which is the most important part, and it has our old married couple. This promises to be a lot of fun.

Definitely some fun will be had. I kinda want Rufus and Castiel to meet because, can you imagine the kind of hilarity that would bring? XD

Date: 2011-01-13 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] high-flyer87.livejournal.com
I'm kind of glad to hear you say you hate Anna. I feel pretty indifferent towards her. I like her because she's the only girl angel we got to know, but then I hate her because she's the only girl angel we got to know and she sort of sucks worse than a stick in the mud.

She's forgettable. She didn't bring anything new or exciting to the story or characters. And then with her and Dean's sex scene I felt she was then just turned into one giant plot-device.

Laaaaaaaaaame.

In other news. I AM REALLY REALLY SUPER FANTASTICALLY EXCITED ABOUT EP 6.16!!!! If Jim's in a tizzy about it, I can only imagine what it's going to be like.

And I don't know if I can take much more of his gossipy tweets. They're driving me crazy with anticipation! XD

Date: 2011-01-14 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
It's disappointing that she was the only girl angel we got to know and she sucked so bad. There could have been loads of potential creating a story there, actually given the character a purpose. But they wasted it completely on such a lame storyline which made her unbearably unlikeable. Shame. Also, I would have preferred to know the story behind the dead blonde angel Castiel said goodbye to at the beginning of "On The Head Of A Pin"; I wanted to know her story.

In other news. I AM REALLY REALLY SUPER FANTASTICALLY EXCITED ABOUT EP 6.16!!!! If Jim's in a tizzy about it, I can only imagine what it's going to be like.

It makes me have hope that the second half of the season is going to be wayyyy better than the first half. *crosses fingers* I AM LOVING THE TITLE FOR THE EPISODE AND HAVING CASTIEL, BOBBY AND RUFUS? HELLS YEAH.

Date: 2011-01-13 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] love-jackianto.livejournal.com
Oh excellent choices. I think my dislike for Anna and Lisa boil down to the same reason; they're both had such potential that the writers wasted. A fallen angel, who fell for something other than chocolate cake, that COULD have helped Sam and Dean would have been interesting, and Lisa could have been so much more interesting if she had just been Dean's friend and the writer's showed her life outside of Dean, but sadly the writers took the easy/sloppy/badly written love-interest way out with both of them. I think that's one of the reasons I like Cas so much; because they couldn't really go the whole love interest route, they actually put some thought into his character in season four. He fell like Anna (for a much more selfless reason) and he's Dean's friend like how I wanted Lisa to be. As much as I love fanon Dean/Cas, I hope it never becomes canon (not that I think there's much of a chance of that happening anyway) because I'm pretty sure Sera would turn it into melodramatic sop. I like that Dean FINALLY has a canon friend that he's not sleeping with. Profound bond indeed.

Why is it so hard for Sera to write interesting female characters?

Date: 2011-01-14 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I think my dislike for Anna and Lisa boil down to the same reason; they're both had such potential that the writers wasted.

When it comes right down to it, these are characters that could have had their own storylines without having to be created simply to get romantically involved with one of the main characters to warrant them a place on the show. Lisa was perfectly fine being a self-sufficient single mother who had her own life, and had they spent some time constructing a workable storyline for Anna (fallen angel who disliked the workings in Heaven, wanted to make a difference and ended up helping the boys, etc; or alternatively, a girl who could listen in on angels and help them that way). Unfortunately both were wasted opportunities. One of the biggest flaws of the show is how they handle female characters.

I feel disappointed with how they've handled Lisa. In my opinion, it would have worked just as well had Lisa been only a friend and helped Dean find a place for work by himself without there being a romantic connection just for the sake of there being a "relationship" (term used loosely) And Dean could have been Uncle Dean or something, someone to lend a hand if needed but not take full responsibility. And if Dean needed to get back into the world of hunting, he wouldn't need all this unnecessary man angsting.

SEE SHOW. THIS IS LOGICAL. THIS MAKES SENSE. THAT CRAP YOU ARE PULLING, THAT SHIT AIN'T CUTE. :/

Why is it so hard for Sera to write interesting female characters?

Such a question to ask, which I honestly don't know. She's Stephanie Meyer in regards to her writing, particularly with the women characters on this show. Heh.

As much as I love fanon Dean/Cas, I hope it never becomes canon (not that I think there's much of a chance of that happening anyway) because I'm pretty sure Sera would turn it into melodramatic sop. I like that Dean FINALLY has a canon friend that he's not sleeping with. Profound bond indeed.

I completely agree with you on this.

Granted it would be lovely to see it in canon, not even gonna lie about that. But even if that were to happen I don't necessarily trust this show to even do that justice at all (unless it's Ben Edlund and Jeremy Carver teaming up to make it happen, and only if it's like the last episode ever for them to do that) I prefer them to stay subtextually connected through their profound bond because, let's face it, it's already canon anyway based on that alone. ♥

Date: 2011-01-14 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] love-jackianto.livejournal.com
'Unfortunately both were wasted opportunities.'
True. It's like once the writers decided to make Anna and Lisa love interests for Dean they turned them into props.

'And if Dean needed to get back into the world of hunting, he wouldn't need all this unnecessary man angsting.'
I think angsting is the reason they DIDN'T do that *points to icon*. Sera seems to love melodrama almost as much as Dawn O.

'But even if that were to happen I don't necessarily trust this show to even do that justice at all (unless it's Ben Edlund and Jeremy Carver teaming up to make it happen, and only if it's like the last episode ever for them to do that)'
I would love if that happened. Edlund and Carver (not to mention Jensen and Misha) would knock it out of the park. I love the idea of Dean/Cas happening in the very last episode because A. the other writers wouldn't be able to screw it up and there would be plenty of fanfic to show what happens to them after the final credits roll.

'I prefer them to stay subtextually connected through their profound bond because, let's face it, it's already canon anyway based on that alone. ♥'
True.

Date: 2011-01-13 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalikahuntress.livejournal.com
I hate how she got to stick around for as long as she did while awesome characters like Ellen and Jo die after what; 4 guest-appearances. If you are fermale and there for screwing or adoring the winchesters; you get to stick around a lot longer I noticed. And to think they wanted her to be the main angel.**shudders.**

Date: 2011-01-14 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
And to think they wanted her to be the main angel.**shudders.**

I'm forever grateful that never ever happened. It would have been horrible.

I also hated that she stuck around for extended episodes and did absolutely nothing, as if they really didn't know what to do with her character. In fact it was so blatantly obvious they had no plans for her at all, which is why she only stood there the majority of the time. And you're right, Ellen and Jo had less screentime then she did, yet they were actually awesome. Oh Show, you disappoint me greatly. I'm still rather saddened that the Harvelle's were killed off because they were amazing women, but that's for another rant entirely.
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Date: 2011-01-14 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
YOU CAN LOVE HER ALL YOU WANT, AND I CAN HATE HER JUST AS MUCH. SOUND GOOD?

Date: 2011-01-13 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] overstreets.livejournal.com
I really hate Anna too. The funny thing was, I thought she had the potential to be a really interesting character back when she was just a mental patient who could hear angels. But then when she got her memories back, she got SO annoying and SO self-righteous that I just couldn't stand her anymore. Plus... she was very Mary Sue-ish (and I think she was only female character who was this close to being a Mary Sue).

Date: 2011-01-14 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
You're absolutely right, she was practically the epitome of a Mary Sue just from that transition alone. I was annoyed with Julie McNiven's acting in general, though I wouldn't have minded had they kept her being that crazy mental patient who heard angels and would have done something productive in helping the brothers or something along those lines. Instead they went LOL JK GUYS SHE'S AN ANGEL WITH A CHILDISH SELF-RIGHTEOUS ATTITUDE!

Gag me with a spork. *rolls eyes*

I did the Dance of Joy when they finally killed her off. Pointless character was pointless, though it's a shame because a fallen angel storyline would have been fantastic had they handled it right. It would have been a nice opportunity to explore more of the angels, but they decided to waste it all on her pointless sob-story. Lame.
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Date: 2011-01-13 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mulder200.livejournal.com
LOL! Please be honest!

In my mind, Anna was just wasted potential. Like she could have been more interesting if they had given her more stuff to do. Instead, she just sucked up screen-time and didn't do much.

To be frank, I hate all the new characters they brought in for season 6. I'm like, "Why? What's their purpose?" I much rather see character growth/emotional continuity than new characters. And please don't get me started on Sam. I have never cared for him and the later season made me hate his guts.

LOL! Jim Beaver is a total tease.

Date: 2011-01-14 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
In my mind, Anna was just wasted potential. Like she could have been more interesting if they had given her more stuff to do. Instead, she just sucked up screen-time and didn't do much.

Pretty much. They could have done great things with a character that was a fallen angel, something that could have had some relevance to the plot of the season, instead it was wasted on a half-assed storyline that went nowhere fast and was utterly pointless to keep such a character around. Granted I think the actress's contract had her for several episodes, since they were planning on killing Castiel off and keeping her around (thank GOD that never happened!), but they could have had her do something productive and interesting despite that change, you know? Instead she furthered nothing with the show except just being there, and repeating pointless things that we already knew. What a waste for a potentially good storyline, which immediately turned bad during the "Heaven and Hell" episode because of the terrible writing in general. Even when she returned in S5 they could have done something worthwhile and interesting, yet she was just as dull as when she first appeared. Bleugh.

To be frank, I hate all the new characters they brought in for season 6. I'm like, "Why? What's their purpose?" I much rather see character growth/emotional continuity than new characters. And please don't get me started on Sam. I have never cared for him and the later season made me hate his guts.

I enjoy newly introduced characters that further whatever plot is happening and that are interesting. Which is why I have loved watching Balthazar, because he's directly connected to the Heaven storyline which means the angelic civil war and Balthy/Castiel times. Otherwise though, I would prefer them getting back to character developments.
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Date: 2011-01-14 06:42 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-01-14 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carameltrap.livejournal.com
I didn't quite like Anna when I watched that episode. I disliked how she seemed to have pitted Dean against Castiel and how she played the helpless card to Dean. I like Julie; she's funny and cute and it's too bad that her character wasn't that well developed or written. Otherwise, she could have ended up being a little likeable.

Lisa, oh Lisa. I would like her if she wasn't the forced love interest on Dean because I knew it won't last and she'd get ditched sooner or later. She was just badly handled and written.

Date: 2011-01-14 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Had they actually done better with writing her character's backstory and given her substance and a personality, and being helpful instead of whining the entire time, then perhaps I wouldn't be so harsh and might find her likable. But as it stands, it was tragic since the moment they turned her into an angel. They really had nothing to go on besides that one episode, which they never reference to again therefore, irrelevant and pointless like whoa.

Lisa, oh Lisa. I would like her if she wasn't the forced love interest on Dean because I knew it won't last and she'd get ditched sooner or later. She was just badly handled and written.

Badly handled and written is the term I would use in this case. Like what [livejournal.com profile] goldenusagi mentioned below, during the third season her character was incredibly self-sufficient as a single mother and happy with her life. She was a capable, independent women who was doing fine by herself. But instead they shifted it by the end of S5 and into S6 as though she needed Ben to have a father figure and that she had no life outside of Dean which is just an insult to the character in general. So much anger regarding that, I cannot even begin to tell you.
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Date: 2011-01-14 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Can I also just say it really annoys me that they probably just made the whole "angels don't have emotions" thing so that Anna's storyline would work? 'cause uh. I really do not see how angels are not emotional

THANK YOU! EVERYTHING TO THIS, FUCKING WORD. Seriously, that's something that bugged me too. I can only see that as justifying why the fuck she exists in canon, which was entirely choppy and sloppy to begin with anyway. CASTIEL SMILED AND LAUGHED, URIEL FELT ANGER AND DISGUST, LUCIFER'S GRIEVING AND JEALOUSY, GABRIEL FEELING UPSET OVER HIS FAMILY FEUDS. ALSO CUPID! CUPID LOVED LOVE. ALL OF THESE? THEY ARE EMOTIONS. SO YOU FAIL SHOW, AND ANNA MILTON? SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE ENTITLEMENT.

It is from my understanding and personal opinion that angels do have emotions, but they're completely different from what we mere humans feel. Or another reason is that angels, being warriors and soldiers in Heaven, were taught to compartmentalize these feelings when on particular missions so they wouldn't be affected. Since I'm betting there are other angels like Castiel who felt compassion and understanding for humanity and loved them as God loved them, which is the entire purpose of their creation. From certain parts of lore, angels were pure creations of showing love to humans by their love of God. That's a different level of emotion that not many feel.

I'm not sure I'm making sense, so tl;dr ANGELS DO HAVE EMOTIONS. SHOW WAS BULLSHITTING US. ANNA MILTON IS STUPID.
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Date: 2011-01-14 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
.....I LOVE YOUR BRAIN. REALLY I DO.

IT'S PERFECT! IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT KIND OF WAY OF SHARING EVERYTHING WITH DEAN, THE WAY HE FEELS PROJECTING TO HIM AND JUST, YEAH. OH GOD IN AN IDEAL BEN EDLUND-RULED WORLD WOULD THAT SCENE BE SO UTTERLY PERFECT. :D :D :D

Date: 2011-01-14 04:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
Trufax: I was rewatching S3, and I got to the Lisa episode. And I thought about how I'd have to suffer through it. But it was fine. Lisa was so ADORABLE and CONFUSED and AWKWARD about seeing Dean again. She clearly had her life together and didn't have a place for an old one night stand. She was doing JUST FINE raising her son on her own.

And then they made her into a pod person.

Date: 2011-01-14 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Proving once again what an idiot Sera Gamble is. *seethes and rages*

Seriously, why take a perfectly fine character who is self-sufficient and capable of her own life without any kind of man in her life, to someone who takes in a psychological broken man and think that relationship was the "best year of [her] life"? All of that seems beneath Lisa during the third season, she wouldn't do such a thing. Being a friend to Dean that's something else, but the need to have them be together romantically is really stupid. Nice going show, destroying a perfectly independent woman. SO MUCH RAGE AT THE ENTIRE THING I CAN'T EVEN.

Date: 2011-01-14 05:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
Sera Gamble wrote that episode. Maybe she loooooved Lisa so much she wanted to bring her back? Though S6 Lisa is still a pod person.

It just irks me that the Dean romance was so tacked on at the end of S5. If they KNEW ahead of time they were going that way, they could have had him run into her two or three other times. But of course they only decided that at the last minute. In S4, Anna was supposed to be the love interest, and in S5, they clearly didn't htink of Lisa until the end.

Lisa was just a one off character that got dragged into it because they couldn't think of anyone else. Which you think would be the cue for someone to say, "Hey, maybe this domestic angle isn't going to work after all," but no, they just had to force it. And Lisa is all over the place in S6. She's not characterized consistently.

Also, I wouldn't be so mad about this if it hadn't lasted for a year. Really, I'm convinced the only reason they did the time jump is so they could do this dumb storyline for Dean. Because what else really needed the jump to work?

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I suppose I should comment on the actual purpose of your post, though, LOL. Anna. I'm neutral on her. I kept waiting for her to DO something, though, instead of just showing up and asking what was going on. She could have, y'know, HELPED in S4. Though as far as angels not having emotions, clearly Anna is an unreliable narrator. SHE'S messed up, and is convinced that the only way to feel is to be human. :) The Grace tree was beyond dumb, though. And Grace in a bottle? WTF? What the hell kind of bottle was that that it could hold grace?

Date: 2011-01-14 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Oh that's right, I had forgotten about that. Huh. Either way though, the way the treated Lisa is just insulting to her character in general because she was fine all by herself, dammit.

Lisa was just a one off character that got dragged into it because they couldn't think of anyone else. Which you think would be the cue for someone to say, "Hey, maybe this domestic angle isn't going to work after all," but no, they just had to force it.

Pretty much this. I never understood why Dean needed to be domesticated in the first place. Separating himself from the hunting life, settling down to be on his own, definitely more plausible and realistic to his character than immediately thinking about dumping all of his problems and issues onto Lisa and Ben. There are ways of getting out of the hunting gig without going that route.

And Lisa is all over the place in S6. She's not characterized consistently.

Who hasn't been inconsistent this season?

I'm also unconvinced about the unnecessary time jump. At first I thought perhaps it would have benefited the entire "Sam being guilty" that might happen after spending an entire year soulless and more down in Lucifer's cage, however there are so many plot holes concerning that alone it's like....did they even think this through? Furthermore, Dean wouldn't have been rusty with his hunting skills that easily after just a year, esp after admitting to still researching and hunting and keeping things in check in private. Come on, get real show. Nobody buys that shit. -__-

I kept waiting for her to DO something, though, instead of just showing up and asking what was going on. She could have, y'know, HELPED in S4. Though as far as angels not having emotions, clearly Anna is an unreliable narrator. SHE'S messed up, and is convinced that the only way to feel is to be human.

That annoyed me so much, the fact she just appeared to either ask something or repeated information we already knew and then leave. Couldn't they have at least tried to make her somewhat interesting, even if we didn't like her there could have been something for her to do that was helpful to the plot. But nothing, the show was hardly trying to bother with expanding on the character after that travesty of "Heaven and Hell" Despite me disliking her, would it have killed them to at least make an effort in that department? idk AND ANGELS DO HAVE EMOTIONS DAMMIT, IT IS EVIDENT THROUGHOUT THE SHOW THEREFORE ANNA'S OPINION IS INVALID AND UNTRUSTWORTHY.

lol, the Grace in the bottle was such a joke. That entire episode was laughably painful, really. Also think about it, the bottle/tree never had an explanation after that, so it must not be important. It was just for her stupid storyline only. Which is fine by me, makes it easier to forget it ever existed in canon if it's never brought up again, lol.

Date: 2011-01-16 04:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
I never understood why Dean needed to be domesticated in the first place.

It would have been less insulting if it had been more plausible. But seriously? A ready made family just waiting to take you in? And I'll totally agree that a Home is something Dean has always wanted. But it's completely at odds with who he is. Which is one thing that makes him such a great and fascinating character. And now I see people that say Dean's angst at leaving his 'family' is natural and that of course we're going to get a lot of references to Lisa throughout S6. But that still doesn't change the fact that it made no sense to put him there to begin with. And I hate the fact that everyone lied to Dean (even by omission) about Sam being back. Cas and Bobby, I call OOC. SAM is the only one who is IC, since he doesn't have soul and doesn't care at all.

(I can now imagine Sam at the end of 5.22, appearing outside Lisa's. *watches* "Huh. There's Dean." *shrugs* "I should go kill something.")

I think Dean ending up on his own after 5.22 would have made SO much more sense. But then we wouldn't have had ANY conflict when Sam came back, and apparently manufactured angst is better than genuine angst. Really, if Dean had been alone and had gone back on the road with Sam, maybe we would have had more of hilarious Robo Sam and less "Something is wrong with Sam" Sam.

There are ways of getting out of the hunting gig without going that route.

Exactly. Non-hunter does not automatically mean suburbia. Look and Bobby. Look at Ellen.

Furthermore, Dean wouldn't have been rusty with his hunting skills that easily after just a year

YES. Was SAM that rusty after FOUR YEARS of being at college?

Date: 2011-01-16 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I can now imagine Sam at the end of 5.22, appearing outside Lisa's. *watches* "Huh. There's Dean." *shrugs* "I should go kill something."

I laughed at this, because that is precisely how it must have been in that scene. He's so nonchalant about it, hehe.

I think Dean ending up on his own after 5.22 would have made SO much more sense. But then we wouldn't have had ANY conflict when Sam came back

I'm not entirely sure. Just dismiss the domesticated aspect and perhaps change things around to where Sam just didn't let anyone know he had been back, there could have been plenty of conflict and questions and mysterious lead-up instead of the confusing state of things the premiere had setup. I think that would have been more plausible than what occurred, to be honest, and would have kept the audience interested.

Exactly. Non-hunter does not automatically mean suburbia. Look and Bobby. Look at Ellen.

I'm wondering why that wasn't brought up at all, and Bobby's words were like "oh but you got out of the life!" Yeah, but living a complete and utter lie Bobby. That's not how to live it. At least with Ellen's case she stayed partially with the hunting but didn't do it herself, she had a steady job. I think the show is really thinking APPLE PIE LIFE ALL IS WELL instead of realistic approaches, even if this was supposedly a misjudgment and lesson learned on Dean's part (I think?) it doesn't compute how he would go from being damaged to thinking intruding on another person's normal life was okay. Dean Winchester would never do that, even if fucked up in the head after everything.

YES. Was SAM that rusty after FOUR YEARS of being at college?

THANK YOU.

Perhaps some do the argument of "BUT THEY ARE ~~DIFFERENT~~" but that is rather a bullshit excuse. There really is no other explanation other than the sloppiness of the show and how they lack consistency in their own character history.
Edited Date: 2011-01-16 05:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-01-16 05:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
Just dismiss the domesticated aspect and perhaps change things around to where Sam just didn't let anyone know he had been back, there could have been plenty of conflict and questions and mysterious lead-up

Well, that would have been conflict that made sense! We can't have things making sense! But I really think they got fixated on the old Dean life/new Dean life conflict, which was dumb and pointless. Also, I would have LOVED for NO ONE to know that Sam was back. That he didn't care to contact anyone in his new soulless state.

"oh but you got out of the life!" Yeah, but living a complete and utter lie Bobby.

Also, Bobby can "get out" any time he wants. No one's forcing Bobby to hunt. Nor does he have a personal vendetta that needs avenging (YED) or an Apocalypse to stop.

Date: 2011-01-16 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Also, I would have LOVED for NO ONE to know that Sam was back. That he didn't care to contact anyone in his new soulless state.

It definitely would have made more sense than the mess we were given, that's for sure.

Also, Bobby can "get out" any time he wants. No one's forcing Bobby to hunt. Nor does he have a personal vendetta that needs avenging (YED) or an Apocalypse to stop.

OMG, you are so right about that. Granted I'm sure he's sticking around because of all the help he offers as we've seen in "Weekend At Bobby's" and that he probably is the safety net for many other hunters due to all of his resources, however that doesn't mean he couldn't just pack up and move elsewhere and start his life over. Or perhaps he feels obligated to continue in that life because there's nothing else left due to his wife and that's been something he has to continue living in, idk.

It's an interesting kind of mentality some hunters have. Some feel the need for vengeance and others feel like they need redemption for something, while others just hunt because they like it. I wish we could get more details on hunters and why they hunt, because it seems rather bleak and depressing with all the trust issues and whatnot.

Date: 2011-01-16 06:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
I'm sure Bobby is a resource and net for other hunters. But from his attitude in 6.01 or 6.02, he made it sound like a horrible horrible life that Dean was so lucky to escape from or something. Not that being a hunter isn't horrible, if you know what I mean. But clearly, everyone gets into the life for a different reason, and then stays with it (if they don't get killed) because they choose to. For whatever reason. I just hate that Bobby basically took it upon himself to make Dean's decisions for him. He knew Dean would come running back to Sam, so he didn't tell him about Sam. It's just so hypocritical. Also, it irks me that there's this notion that traditional family is the only thing worth having. Bobby's wife is dead, so he will keep hunting. But Dean "has something" so he deserves to get out. YOU CAN GET OUT AND BE ON YOUR OWN. IT'S NOT "FAMILY MAN" OR "HUNTER." THERE ARE A TON OF SINGLE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HUNTERS IN THE WORLD.

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