This is where things get interesting.

[rogueslayer452]

More Legend of the Seeker news: from this post here gives details about how to contact STARZ, since it seems the more people expressing their demands about wanting the show the more probable it'll become a surefire deal. Still not getting my hopes up just yet, but from the sound of things this definitely looks promising especially from the report the poster gave about talking to someone from the network there was so optimism there. *still crossing fingers*

In other news, M. Night Shyamalan continues to be a douchebag. Also, this is the first I've heard of him possibly having been close to directing the Harry Potter movies. I shudder to imagine how that would have turned out...

I still haven't read any spoilers whatsoever and I'd like to keep it that way so please don't tell me anything, but judging from people's reactions to what has been released I think I might take a break from Supernatural for a while? I don't know. I've just not been incredibly enthusiastic about anything with the sixth season, the fact that they even have a sixth season leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. This is what I dreaded would happen, actually. I want to be reassured that this is just an over-exaggeration, that it's not as bad as it seems to be, but I can't help but feel I'm going to be in disappointment and rage with whatever is being planned for it, and mostly because of Sera Gamble but that's another rant altogether. They really should have ended it properly with the Apocalypse, because right now I'm just kind of over the Sam and Dean melodramatics. I'd take an angel mythology spin-off over hearing the same-old Winchester angsty manpain anyday, to be brutally honest with you.

I'm not leaving fandom or anything, this is just how I'm feeling lately. It might change, it might not, only time will tell. I'm still sticking around, especially in the Dean/Castiel and Castiel/Misha Collins parts of fandom because, how can I not? I love you guys, sfm. ♥

This is half the reason why I've been going to other fandoms more recently, to kind of get my mind away from possible trainwreckage and onto new shiny toys. Which, btw, himhilien? Totally am downloading all of Avatar: The Last Airbender right now. I planned on doing that anyway since I am really liking the series, though since we no longer have OnDemand I can no longer see the random bubble trivia pop-ups. So I has a sad. :(

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[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'(which is more a projection of his wishes to have a family, but something he couldn't have particularly now with him being so psychologically fucked up after 40 years in Hell, and even before then).'
I've always thought Lisa really was more of a symbol of the life Dean thought he wanted than someone he actually loved; how could he, he barely knew her. She was literally his dream girl.

'It's as if it's completely okay to treat a minor female character like a backdrop prop to further Dean's storyline or growth, which isn't really going forward at all and just standing still and repeating history, in a sense. Out of the many flaws Supernatural has, that's something that really irks me the most. There's no respect for Lisa besides making her that desperate housewife, which again I say is disgusting and insulting on so many levels, I can't even. :/'
So true. This show does have a a history of using women as props to farther the story of men. I heard that in the original draft of the pilot episode, instead of Jess dieing Sam just leaves her; I've never really been sure what to think about that.

'Which means Kripke has completely sold out. He wanted his show to end with a bang, and with having sold his soul over the CW he's a completely sellout of his own show.'
True, but sadly he wouldn't be the first writer to do that. I'm convinced that Joss put out the Buffy season 8 comic just for the money; the characters go from OOC to WTH, the story makes no sense and I've seen better drawn fan-made comics.

'If they fuck shit up I'm going to cease watching.'
Me too. I've heard people say that even if the show becomes bad they'll keep watching because they've invested too much time and effort to stop, but I'm not one of them. I'll give season six a fair shot, but if it's as bad as I fear it will be I'll just have to watch something else. I watch tv to be entertained, not to bash my head against a wall. If it does go bad, I hope Jensen and Jared get out while the getting is good, but like I said before I can see them just doing the show for the steady paycheck.

'YES FANDOM, THE SHOW HAS A PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST YOU AND YOUR WACKY PAIRINGS! BE ENRAGED! XD'
IF DEAN EVER FINDS WING!PORN ON THE SHOW AND THINKS IT'S CREEPY AND WRONG, I KNOW I'D BE ENRAGED (while I'm laughing my ass off that is). I can see it now:

Dean: Dude, what the hell?! First, it was sex with my bother and now it's sex with Cas. That's just wrong.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I've always thought Lisa really was more of a symbol of the life Dean thought he wanted than someone he actually loved; how could he, he barely knew her. She was literally his dream girl.

Exactly. And how fair to either of them if this is only just chasing a dream?

I heard that in the original draft of the pilot episode, instead of Jess dieing Sam just leaves her; I've never really been sure what to think about that.

...That would have made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean, Jessica dying was what drove Sam to return to hunting in the first place and his determination to hunt down the demon that killed her. Making him leave her would have made Sam unlikable from the beginning, and given him no motivation to be hunting. It really says something about their earlier drafts on treating women on the show. I mean, granted I think we already knew this, but the fact is we fans keep returning to the show time and again despite that. It's like, we acknowledge it but it doesn't matter because some will continue to watch just for the boys (whether story-wise or just for shallow reasons) so it makes me wonder about the reversal of the situation the audience/fans have towards this issue?

True, but sadly he wouldn't be the first writer to do that. I'm convinced that Joss put out the Buffy season 8 comic just for the money; the characters go from OOC to WTH, the story makes no sense and I've seen better drawn fan-made comics.

Hmmm, I don't know. Joss wanted to continue the Buffyverse regardless, since he's always had ideas for the show that couldn't continue on in television format so escaping to another medium was the answer. And I don't think creating comics is just for the money because he does have those creative ideas for storylines that never were addressed/explored on the show. I do agree, based on what I've heard from the S8 comics, it does seem OOC for certain things to have happened and it makes you wonder why. But I don't think comic book continuations are equal to selling out.

I've heard people say that even if the show becomes bad they'll keep watching because they've invested too much time and effort to stop, but I'm not one of them.

Me neither. I think anyone that loves a show that much shouldn't, and probably wouldn't, want to continue seeing it being disrespected and going downhill, because it's just heartbreaking. I know shows do go through rough patches, but I honestly cannot stomach being letdown time and again by a show in hopes to gets better.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Exactly. And how fair to either of them if this is only just chasing a dream?'
Not very fair at all to all of them if you ask me. I also feel sorry for Ben (who the writers seemed to have forgotten about) who might end up seeing Dean as a father figure. I mean even the writers implied that Dean didn't go back to Lisa because he loved her, but because he promised Sam that he would. Which once again makes Lisa just a prop. I really hope that if Lisa does call it quits with Dean that the next time Dean comes back she's married to someone who actually loves her and Ben, but than I was hoping for that when Lisa showed up the last time.

'It really says something about their earlier drafts on treating women on the show.'
It does, it really does.

'But I don't think comic book continuations are equal to selling out.'
I don't know, I guess I just thought it would be better.

'I mean, granted I think we already knew this, but the fact is we fans keep returning to the show time and again despite that.'
Yeah, but I've seen people hand-wave away the misogynistic undertones so much it's not even funny.

'but I honestly cannot stomach being letdown time and again by a show in hopes to gets better.'
Tell me about it. I started watching As The World Turns because of its gay storyline, but when it became clear that the writing in general was awful (I swear Paul Ryan has come back from the dead more than Cas) and Luke (the gay character) was only going to be on a few times a month even after he got a boyfriend, I gave up.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I mean even the writers implied that Dean didn't go back to Lisa because he loved her, but because he promised Sam that he would.

Exactly. In fact, that was heavily implied about Dean keeping his promise, henceforth what he was doing wasn't what he wanted to do but rather fulfilling a request by his deceased brother. Again, this goes back to having both Dean and Castiel returning to their "duties" based on what they should comply to, but it's not what they truly want, not entirely. I mean, I know Sera Gamble is all about "OMG ONE-TIME HOOKUPS MEANS TRU WUV!!!1" and all that bullshit, but I have a feeling that's not gonna last long, especially the uproar fandom has been having because of it.

I honestly would love to see Lisa with someone else, inside a relationship/married because while I love Dean, I hate the impression that this woman is just ~waiting~ for him to return years in between his random short visits. No. Stop treating women like mindless props, show. :/

Yeah, but I've seen people hand-wave away the misogynistic undertones so much it's not even funny.

It's kind of sad. I mean, I fully acknowledge the show has its issues and I wish they could do something about it, but it's the people that think they can play the double-standard that really pisses me off in this fandom sometimes. And if you call them out on it they immediately get defensive and start creating unnecessary childish drama.

I started watching As The World Turns because of its gay storyline, but when it became clear that the writing in general was awful

lol, well what soap opera storyline isn't written awfully? I find the more I try to watch soap operas the more ridiculous their writing is.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'I mean, I know Sera Gamble is all about 'OMG ONE-TIME HOOKUPS MEANS TRU WUV!!!1' and all that bullshit, but I have a feeling that's not gonna last long, especially the uproar fandom has been having because of it.'
I think we can all rest assured that Lisa/Dean won't make it past episode one. I find it kind of funny (and really sad) that people are already saying that if Sam and Dean don't get 'back together' in the first episode they'll stop watching. Have those people never seen this show!?

'Again, this goes back to having both Dean and Castiel returning to their 'duties' based on what they should comply to, but it's not what they truly want, not entirely.'
I couldn't agree more. In my head Castiel went back to Heaven partly because he thought helping his own family would make Dean happy (family is very important to Dean after all), just like Dean thought 'going back to' Lisa would make Sam happy. Dean's 'what do we do now?' line always made me think that what Dean really wanted was for Cas to stay.

'I honestly would love to see Lisa with someone else, inside a relationship/married because while I love Dean, I hate the impression that this woman is just ~waiting~ for him to return years in between his random short visits. No. Stop treating women like mindless props, show. :/'
I would hate that impression too, but than I remember how many people seemed to love The Time Travel's Wife; WTH Clare spent most her life waiting for Henry to come back because, like the author said, he was her soul mate. I could see Dawn O's coveted teenage girl demo eating that up; considering Dawn O doesn't get SPN at all (and the teenage girl demo seems to be the only one she cares about) I could see her trying to pull something like that on SPN for that reason alone (I'm convinced Dean's Titanic inspired love scene was there just to appeal to teenage girls, it certainly didn't fit the style of the show). I've never been in the typical teenage girl demo, even when I was one, so if they do that my eyes wouldn't be able to roll fast enough. If that happens it really will be zombies years. Members of the original creative team (Kripke and Carver) have already left, after all.

'It's kind of sad. I mean, I fully acknowledge the show has its issues and I wish they could do something about it, but it's the people that think they can play the double-standard that really pisses me off in this fandom sometimes. And if you call them out on it they immediately get defensive and start creating unnecessary childish drama.'
I acknowledge the show has issues and there are parts of the fandom where I don't talk them; just like there are parts of the Torchwood fandom while I don't voice my opinion that I just don't think RTD is all that good of a writer; apparently because he's a professional writer he can't be criticized.

'lol, well what soap opera storyline isn't written awfully? I find the more I try to watch soap operas the more ridiculous their writing is.'
Hahaha... true. People say the reason American soaps are dieing off (AS The World Turns is ending in September) is because no one is home to watch them anymore and while that might be part of the reason I think it has more to do with horrible writing.