Just some food for thought.

[rogueslayer452]

I've been wondering something about Sam and demon blood: Why couldn't they just have him inject himself instead of drinking the stuff? Granted, that could have gone for too much literal of the drug addiction and abuse and they probably wanted to go more for the vampire-esque, gross and disturbing factor with what Sam was doing to himself and also with large quantities instead of just a little here and there, but they could have been it be like a blood transfusion or something. Because when you think about drinking blood, especially large gallons of it like what he was supposed to have done in the S5 finale...it's kind of hard to stomach that someone, even Sam when it was first proposed to him, would even consider doing that.

Also, they keep saying that it's demon's blood. But demons don't have blood, demons on Supernatural are more or less smokey entities that need a physical body to possess. So realistically speaking, it's not really their blood unless their entire being inherits everything inside of that body and their essences leaks into the bloodstream, otherwise the blood Sam is drinking? Is actually human blood, which makes me think about the poor people who are cut and sliced simply for the benefit of Sam's blood addiction.

Another thing, I've been thinking about Sam and his powers and what the demon blood contributes to it. Now yes, it's meant for him to be revved up Hulk-style, but wasn't it Ruby that told him he didn't need the demon blood anyway with that Dumbo speech? That he had the powers inside of him all along, he just needed to believe that the blood could help him? Of course, we can argue that when the YED was alive Sam's powers were activated through that and when he died he no longer how those abilities and it's demon blood that fueled it. But on the show they make a huge deal about Sam being an abomination and how he's been tainted with demon blood running through his veins and whatnot, even when he was supposedly cleansed of it in the S5 premiere. This has never been fully explained on whether or not Sam is truly tainted or that is just a belief because Azazel chose him and that was his destiny to be Lucifer's vessel and all of that. It's never been clear, and I'm wondering if it's an inconsistency with the writing, mainly because had Sam been an abomination he wouldn't have ended up in Heaven in "Dark Side Of The Moon", so I don't know.

Perhaps this was explained before elsewhere, but it's been bothering me for some time now.

In other news that is not unrelated, I've also been curious about the inconsistencies the show has had especially with unfinished or abandoned storylines and arcs, and the more I looked back the more I realized they never really explained many things they put out there, mostly with things that aren't directly connected with the Winchesters. And that's one example of their major flaws in terms of the writing, never mind the mess the fifth season turned out to be. I think once you step back and realize oh wait, this never happened or this was never explained, or hey they didn't follow through with that piece of the storyline, is when you notice those little things that should have been handled better with the story. And I'm the kind of person that likes stories to feel complete, to not have holes or for there to be continuity errors, or for things to happen unrealistically to a character and what they've been going through. When this happens in a show that I watch, I will nitpick at it and it will make me question and/or not like the writers or the direction of the show in general. Does this make me less of a fan? Of course not. These are legitimate concerns to have and everyone should voice their likes and dislikes about something they love, otherwise how else will people in the higher ups listen and see what the people are responding to?

Apparently it seems I have way too many thoughts today, it's been bubbling up in my head and I needed a little release otherwise I would go insane with it. Heh.

Comments

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Did they really kill all those demons to feed to Sammy or did they magically come across a stash of dead demons?

Which really begs the question, do demons die inside of the body they're possessing or do they simply just disappear into oblivion and what's left is the the corpse? Because if the latter happened then what they're draining would have been human blood, not demon blood. So it makes me wonder how they organized this, like did they play bait to capture them or round them up, trap them to drain their blood? None of this was shown or explained.

I always interpreted Ruby's Dumbo comment as more of that Sam's thoughts and choices to make the decisions that he did were always inside of him, not all excused away by the demon blood contributing to this mindset. But it is confusing and was never touched on again, which is typical of show.

I wouldn't be as confused if there was a clear indication about what Ruby was meaning behind her words, because I can see it going both ways. However it was just her gloating to Sam in that scene and, like you said, it was never touched on again when it's actually incredibly relevant had they gone through with his development about his addiction and so forth which just makes it even more confusing. You know what I mean?

I really need to watch that scene again to really pick out what's between the lines, though. But it just seems to not be as important if they never brought it up again since it was mostly about Sam and his addiction.

It can be so frustrating when one really thinks about all the loose ends, inconsistencies, and dropped elements throughout the series. It sorta makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

Yeah, tell me about it. I would really like the enjoy the show as it is like some people do but, in my analytical mind and being a fan at the same time, I both love it yet hate what they've done with many aspects to the story. It's incredibly frustrating and it makes me wonder what the hell is going on in the writer's room and if they actually plan things out or just play it by ear.

Ohhh, I really like that quote because it does ring absolutely true.

I do love the Winchesters, but half of my frustrations with the show is that there's hardly much noticeable growth happening on the screen because everything they do is repeat the same thing over and over with each other. Sam has anger issues, Dean is broken and damaged, they are codependent on each other, and so on. But this makes it interesting because I have begun to really migrate from them to characters like Castiel and Gabriel and Lucifer, all these supporting roles, because there's room for development. Castiel certainly has been evolving ever since we met him, and what made me love Gabriel was the more depth we got about his character background which makes him interesting.

As much as I do love the Winchesters, they tend to stand still without much character growth. I think out of them both Dean has grown the most, esp from his experiences, but there hasn't been much with him coping or dealing with things. Castiel, after he rebelled and was cast out of Heaven, learned to adapt to his surroundings even if he was unfamiliar with how humans dealt with living their lives day by day. That's what makes it interesting to see, not the same old stuff every time.

Of course, I'm preaching to the choir here so, everything I'm saying is just repeating what you said. Just, more wordy. ;)

I'm definitely going to check that BB out now, that you recced it with that quote. Thanks! :D

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'I do love the Winchesters, but half of my frustrations with the show is that there's hardly much noticeable growth happening on the screen because everything they do is repeat the same thing over and over with each other. Sam has anger issues, Dean is broken and damaged, they are codependent on each other, and so on. But this makes it interesting because I have begun to really migrate from them to characters like Castiel and Gabriel and Lucifer, all these supporting roles, because there's room for development. Castiel certainly has been evolving ever since we met him, and what made me love Gabriel was the more depth we got about his character background which makes him interesting.

As much as I do love the Winchesters, they tend to stand still without much character growth. I think out of them both Dean has grown the most, esp from his experiences, but there hasn't been much with him coping or dealing with things. Castiel, after he rebelled and was cast out of Heaven, learned to adapt to his surroundings even if he was unfamiliar with how humans dealt with living their lives day by day. That's what makes it interesting to see, not the same old stuff every time.'
Hear! Hear! It's like I've said before, I like Castiel because not only is it interesting to see how he changes over the course of two seasons, but his relationship/friendship with Dean really brought something different to the show; as far as we know, Castiel is the only friend outside of Sam Dean has ever had.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

lol, I love how you just quoted those entire two paragraphs. ;)

The relationship between Dean and Castiel is one of my favorites, because it does give us something different that we haven't seen before. A new character that had a great deal of development, that was relevant to the show, and Dean stepping away from Sam not like he doesn't care anymore but more like them going on their own separate paths and allowing Dean to find a friendship that he's never had before. And I love the paralleling between Castiel and Dean, how they are so much alike even coming from different worlds.

I only wished they could have transcended that more into the fifth season. There were episodes here and there, but not extensively as the fourth season did with their growing and developing friendship and bond, you know?

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'And I love the paralleling between Castiel and Dean, how they are so much alike even coming from different worlds.'
That is great, I do love parallels like that. Heck, if Cas had had a female vessel I would have excepted Cas to become Dean's love interest. I would have found that so much more believable than Dean/Lisa at least.

'lol, I love how you just quoted those entire two paragraphs. ;)'
What can I say, they were two great paragraphs :D

'There were episodes here and there, but not extensively as the fourth season did with their growing and developing friendship and bond, you know?'
I know. I really hope since the writers keep calling season six a more intimate season, that they deal more with Dean and Cas' friendship and maybe even some of Cas and Sam's relationship. If they are going to go back to MOTW episodes every week, they have to give me something different to keep me interested.

[alexwhitman25.livejournal.com]

Ugh. I never even thought about what happens to the actual demons when they are killed. The more I think about the whole situation, the more irked I become.

You are totally right about the Dumbo comment. It was basically left to interpret however one wants to or tries to make sense out of. It was big thing and it was just never mentioned again or clarified. Probably because they themselves didn't know what they meant or didn't want to write themselves into a corner for when they inevitably changed their mind to suit some plotline.

I love that you pick at these type things and discuss it. We both share that sort of view on the show. That's just how we're built. I can't help but want to delve into things and get something out of it rather than just be entertained by the shiny and pretty.

EXACTLY! We both feel the same way about the issue of non-growth when it comes to the boys and the way that reflects on the show for us. Every time I get excited that they are gonna go somewhere characterizationwise, they later take a huge step backward and make it all void. It's so frustrating. And, like you said, it's why we embrace these supporting characters so much.

Also? I finished that fic just now...and it was one of the most amazing works of fanfic that I have ever read. It was like a perfect storm of fic with everything one could ever want plotwise and characterizationwise.