Just some food for thought.
Jul. 7th, 2010 03:41 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
rogueslayer452I've been wondering something about Sam and demon blood: Why couldn't they just have him inject himself instead of drinking the stuff? Granted, that could have gone for too much literal of the drug addiction and abuse and they probably wanted to go more for the vampire-esque, gross and disturbing factor with what Sam was doing to himself and also with large quantities instead of just a little here and there, but they could have been it be like a blood transfusion or something. Because when you think about drinking blood, especially large gallons of it like what he was supposed to have done in the S5 finale...it's kind of hard to stomach that someone, even Sam when it was first proposed to him, would even consider doing that.
Also, they keep saying that it's demon's blood. But demons don't have blood, demons on Supernatural are more or less smokey entities that need a physical body to possess. So realistically speaking, it's not really their blood unless their entire being inherits everything inside of that body and their essences leaks into the bloodstream, otherwise the blood Sam is drinking? Is actually human blood, which makes me think about the poor people who are cut and sliced simply for the benefit of Sam's blood addiction.
Another thing, I've been thinking about Sam and his powers and what the demon blood contributes to it. Now yes, it's meant for him to be revved up Hulk-style, but wasn't it Ruby that told him he didn't need the demon blood anyway with that Dumbo speech? That he had the powers inside of him all along, he just needed to believe that the blood could help him? Of course, we can argue that when the YED was alive Sam's powers were activated through that and when he died he no longer how those abilities and it's demon blood that fueled it. But on the show they make a huge deal about Sam being an abomination and how he's been tainted with demon blood running through his veins and whatnot, even when he was supposedly cleansed of it in the S5 premiere. This has never been fully explained on whether or not Sam is truly tainted or that is just a belief because Azazel chose him and that was his destiny to be Lucifer's vessel and all of that. It's never been clear, and I'm wondering if it's an inconsistency with the writing, mainly because had Sam been an abomination he wouldn't have ended up in Heaven in "Dark Side Of The Moon", so I don't know.
Perhaps this was explained before elsewhere, but it's been bothering me for some time now.
In other news that is not unrelated, I've also been curious about the inconsistencies the show has had especially with unfinished or abandoned storylines and arcs, and the more I looked back the more I realized they never really explained many things they put out there, mostly with things that aren't directly connected with the Winchesters. And that's one example of their major flaws in terms of the writing, never mind the mess the fifth season turned out to be. I think once you step back and realize oh wait, this never happened or this was never explained, or hey they didn't follow through with that piece of the storyline, is when you notice those little things that should have been handled better with the story. And I'm the kind of person that likes stories to feel complete, to not have holes or for there to be continuity errors, or for things to happen unrealistically to a character and what they've been going through. When this happens in a show that I watch, I will nitpick at it and it will make me question and/or not like the writers or the direction of the show in general. Does this make me less of a fan? Of course not. These are legitimate concerns to have and everyone should voice their likes and dislikes about something they love, otherwise how else will people in the higher ups listen and see what the people are responding to?
Apparently it seems I have way too many thoughts today, it's been bubbling up in my head and I needed a little release otherwise I would go insane with it. Heh.
Also, they keep saying that it's demon's blood. But demons don't have blood, demons on Supernatural are more or less smokey entities that need a physical body to possess. So realistically speaking, it's not really their blood unless their entire being inherits everything inside of that body and their essences leaks into the bloodstream, otherwise the blood Sam is drinking? Is actually human blood, which makes me think about the poor people who are cut and sliced simply for the benefit of Sam's blood addiction.
Another thing, I've been thinking about Sam and his powers and what the demon blood contributes to it. Now yes, it's meant for him to be revved up Hulk-style, but wasn't it Ruby that told him he didn't need the demon blood anyway with that Dumbo speech? That he had the powers inside of him all along, he just needed to believe that the blood could help him? Of course, we can argue that when the YED was alive Sam's powers were activated through that and when he died he no longer how those abilities and it's demon blood that fueled it. But on the show they make a huge deal about Sam being an abomination and how he's been tainted with demon blood running through his veins and whatnot, even when he was supposedly cleansed of it in the S5 premiere. This has never been fully explained on whether or not Sam is truly tainted or that is just a belief because Azazel chose him and that was his destiny to be Lucifer's vessel and all of that. It's never been clear, and I'm wondering if it's an inconsistency with the writing, mainly because had Sam been an abomination he wouldn't have ended up in Heaven in "Dark Side Of The Moon", so I don't know.
Perhaps this was explained before elsewhere, but it's been bothering me for some time now.
In other news that is not unrelated, I've also been curious about the inconsistencies the show has had especially with unfinished or abandoned storylines and arcs, and the more I looked back the more I realized they never really explained many things they put out there, mostly with things that aren't directly connected with the Winchesters. And that's one example of their major flaws in terms of the writing, never mind the mess the fifth season turned out to be. I think once you step back and realize oh wait, this never happened or this was never explained, or hey they didn't follow through with that piece of the storyline, is when you notice those little things that should have been handled better with the story. And I'm the kind of person that likes stories to feel complete, to not have holes or for there to be continuity errors, or for things to happen unrealistically to a character and what they've been going through. When this happens in a show that I watch, I will nitpick at it and it will make me question and/or not like the writers or the direction of the show in general. Does this make me less of a fan? Of course not. These are legitimate concerns to have and everyone should voice their likes and dislikes about something they love, otherwise how else will people in the higher ups listen and see what the people are responding to?
Apparently it seems I have way too many thoughts today, it's been bubbling up in my head and I needed a little release otherwise I would go insane with it. Heh.
Part 1
Date: 2010-07-08 06:09 am (UTC)Now there's an image, lol. But seriously yeah, there's no logical way of explaining that because it really isn't logical or realistic. Sam is human, and we humans have limitations to our entire bodies and just yeah, it's absolutely impossible to ingest that quantity of blood like that.
And I think I had always assumed that when a demon possesses someone they possess them... fully? Like, even down to their blood. So when Sam is drinking demon blood there literally are traces of the demon in it. Or something like that?
But even so, he's still drinking human blood regardless of that. This is something I really wish they would give explanations or background about the mechanics of demon possession on the show just so we get a clear understanding about how all of this works. Do demons literally take control of everything, their entire essence right down to the blood, or are they just simply just wearing the body like a suit and controlling the mechanics of the human body from that? Also, would Sam be able to tell between human blood and demon blood? What if he couldn't, like what if Sam really did give into tasting the demon blood in 5.02 "Good God, Y'All?" Would he be able to tell that it's not demon blood or if there's a distinction? That's something else I've been wondering, too.
Because in the finale, we see supposedly dead drained demons hanging upside down....it makes me wonder were they already dead or did they slowly torture them while draining their blood? When a demon dies do they die within the body or disparate leaving the human corpse behind? These are questions that I have.
Part 2
Date: 2010-07-08 06:09 am (UTC)I could see it about her telling Sam that it wasn't her fault, that he made all these decisions himself (which he did, he believed that he was in the right) since she was gloating about how "awesome" she was about actually accomplishing this task and him getting angry over it. But at the same time, I thought that it can also be about the demon blood, her manipulating him into thinking that that would help him but instead it wasn't about the blood, it was about him thinking that he needed something when he had it inside of him the entire time. It's just a huge pile of vagueness on what she was actually referring to, because it could be either one or all of the above, depending on how you view it.
But with something like Sam drinking demon blood that has to be some kind of effect anyway, because didn't Castiel say that the more he drank he wouldn't be the same? Taking into consideration all he drank in the S5 finale and whatnot, there's just too much inconsistency with that alone.
I can't remember his name, but the angel who speaks to God did say (or imply, at least) that God had allowed Sam into Heaven, despite everything he had done (and probably is). So... that sort of answers that?
Oh yeah, you're right I had totally forgotten about that. Heh. Because despite what others say about Sam, it doesn't matter what he was destined for, it matters what's in his heart and he's always tried to do the right thing, even if he was stubbornly misguided in the fourth season. I think that really says a lot just from that alone.
I mean, wouldn't being an angel burn out any demonic properties the blood has? :/
I know, it makes no sense why that would even be a factor even for an angel like Lucifer. I get they probably were trying to connect why Sam needed demon blood in the first place, but I always figured it would just to kill Lilith and release Lucifer from his cage. Beyond that he was just going to be his vessel, but adding the notion that Lucifer needed the demon blood? That just makes absolutely no sense with the consistency of the show and what we'd already known from these last two seasons. It makes it seem like they were really just pulling things from their asses on that front. Had it been mentioned before and fleshed out on why this had to happen I wouldn't have much problem with it, but as it stands it makes no sense.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2010-07-08 07:52 pm (UTC)That is probably their reasoning, too. WE CAN'T FIND ANYTHING LOGICAL TO SAY ABOUT THIS, SO WE ARE JUST MAKING IT UP AND HOPING ~MAGICAL DEMON BLOOD~ SOLVES EVERYONE'S PROBLEMS!!!! And yet, of course, nothing ever happens with the blood at all anyway, so it didn't further the plot at all and was unnecessary to even bring into the story at this point, you know?
Lucifer actually IS healing Nick constantly, but because he's so powerful he burns him up just as fast as he can heal him
I've always believed this actually, since he needed a stable vessel to use until Sam came around to signing himself over to become his true meatsuit. And while he continues to repair Nick and holding him together it just continues to get worse, hence him looking worse and worse the more we saw Lucifer over the course of the season. Although, it makes me wonder how Nick was chosen. Was he just some random person Lucifer found, or was there a particular reason? Since I always thought that angels were connected specific bloodlines of certain people, so it makes me wonder about that kind of thing.
Another aspect the show probably will never touch on, unfortunately.
Plus it really bothers me how like all of Season 5 they were basically like 'don't
do drugsdrink demon blood, kids!' and then in the end Sam just drinks a shitload of demon blood. Like, oh, okay...Exactly! The fact that it was about Sam's redemption and trying to recover from his addiction, only to enable it because he had "no other choice" is kind of like, okay. What was the point of this season and his storyline anyway? Like I get it, he overpowered Lucifer (which I still don't by that he could have done that from a freaking toy soldier and memories, bitches plz...), but what is this saying exactly? You have to kick your bad habits but if it's saving the world then okay, overdose on your addiction! Yeah, no. Sorry show, had you introduced this part earlier in the season and have Sam fight and resist such an urge I probably would have accepted it. But here? Nope. I call bullshit.