Just some food for thought.

[rogueslayer452]

I've been wondering something about Sam and demon blood: Why couldn't they just have him inject himself instead of drinking the stuff? Granted, that could have gone for too much literal of the drug addiction and abuse and they probably wanted to go more for the vampire-esque, gross and disturbing factor with what Sam was doing to himself and also with large quantities instead of just a little here and there, but they could have been it be like a blood transfusion or something. Because when you think about drinking blood, especially large gallons of it like what he was supposed to have done in the S5 finale...it's kind of hard to stomach that someone, even Sam when it was first proposed to him, would even consider doing that.

Also, they keep saying that it's demon's blood. But demons don't have blood, demons on Supernatural are more or less smokey entities that need a physical body to possess. So realistically speaking, it's not really their blood unless their entire being inherits everything inside of that body and their essences leaks into the bloodstream, otherwise the blood Sam is drinking? Is actually human blood, which makes me think about the poor people who are cut and sliced simply for the benefit of Sam's blood addiction.

Another thing, I've been thinking about Sam and his powers and what the demon blood contributes to it. Now yes, it's meant for him to be revved up Hulk-style, but wasn't it Ruby that told him he didn't need the demon blood anyway with that Dumbo speech? That he had the powers inside of him all along, he just needed to believe that the blood could help him? Of course, we can argue that when the YED was alive Sam's powers were activated through that and when he died he no longer how those abilities and it's demon blood that fueled it. But on the show they make a huge deal about Sam being an abomination and how he's been tainted with demon blood running through his veins and whatnot, even when he was supposedly cleansed of it in the S5 premiere. This has never been fully explained on whether or not Sam is truly tainted or that is just a belief because Azazel chose him and that was his destiny to be Lucifer's vessel and all of that. It's never been clear, and I'm wondering if it's an inconsistency with the writing, mainly because had Sam been an abomination he wouldn't have ended up in Heaven in "Dark Side Of The Moon", so I don't know.

Perhaps this was explained before elsewhere, but it's been bothering me for some time now.

In other news that is not unrelated, I've also been curious about the inconsistencies the show has had especially with unfinished or abandoned storylines and arcs, and the more I looked back the more I realized they never really explained many things they put out there, mostly with things that aren't directly connected with the Winchesters. And that's one example of their major flaws in terms of the writing, never mind the mess the fifth season turned out to be. I think once you step back and realize oh wait, this never happened or this was never explained, or hey they didn't follow through with that piece of the storyline, is when you notice those little things that should have been handled better with the story. And I'm the kind of person that likes stories to feel complete, to not have holes or for there to be continuity errors, or for things to happen unrealistically to a character and what they've been going through. When this happens in a show that I watch, I will nitpick at it and it will make me question and/or not like the writers or the direction of the show in general. Does this make me less of a fan? Of course not. These are legitimate concerns to have and everyone should voice their likes and dislikes about something they love, otherwise how else will people in the higher ups listen and see what the people are responding to?

Apparently it seems I have way too many thoughts today, it's been bubbling up in my head and I needed a little release otherwise I would go insane with it. Heh.

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[cheerful-earl.livejournal.com]

which makes me think about the poor people who are cut and sliced simply for the benefit of Sam's blood addiction.

This really bothered me. A lot, actually. I know the Winchesters kill a lot of demons in human bodies while fighting. To me, that's different than actually going out and getting a demon to slice and dice while a human is still inside. That, to me, was what made Sam's actions in the S4 finale so terrible- because he had the power to save that nurse and instead killed her, because the end of killing Lilith justified murder, which is something the show hasn't really ever supported (Like, with "No one's killing any virgins!"). To me, that was Ruby winning, 100%. And then having it replicated in the finale without comment rubbed me wrong. Because they drained human beings. Maybe they were dead already. Maybe they weren't. But no one even paused to consider, "Okay, we have to kill these people to save the world." It was like their deaths weren't even something to think on.

their entire being inherits everything inside of that body and their essences leaks into the bloodstream

That's what I assumed. That once the demon took control, they infused the human body with mystical Hell power or something.

wasn't it Ruby that told him he didn't need the demon blood anyway with that Dumbo speech?

I assumed that too, and thought the whole continuing aspect of demon blood made no sense, but someone else said that she took it as meaning that Ruby meant that Sam didn't need her to lead him; that he made the decisions on his own to do the wrong thing. In that sense, it's she, not the demon blood, that is the feather. Which makes sense, I suppose. But it's confusing.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

I mean, I get there are bigger stakes here and sometimes small sacrifices must be made for that greater good, but that's something I wanted them to really consider because saving lives of people is something they've been so adamant about. And I agree, there's a huge difference between being in a fight with demons and what it looks like from the finale where it seemed like they captured demons just to drain their blood. Especially if this plan backfired, which it essentially did, what did those people's lives mean in the grand scheme of things? You'd think they would at least mention this or something. But it doesn't seem like they have any regards for these poor people who fell in unfortunate grasps of being possessed.

Just a mention about that, even in passing, would be nice just so we get that this isn't easy for them to accomplish even if it's something they have to do. Because it is their mission statement to save lives, even the ones who are possessed by these demons, and while they are doing this to save the entire world, just a moment to reconsider this action would at least make me feel better.

(this also gets me thinking about all the angels that have been killed, but I suppose that could be explained away given that these people gave consent to be part of something greater, unlike those possessed by demons)

See, the problem I have with the entire demon blood is that we're always assuming different things and some of it make sense, but there's nothing concrete in this information because it's all over the place and completely vague. Hence all the confusion, and then they add in this thing with Lucifer needing the blood, which is something I can't even comprehend how that even makes sense in continuity to everything. Because Lucifer is an angel, a powerful angel at that, why would he need demon blood if Sam is truly his vessel? Unless it was to ensure Lucifer would win, but why mention it at the last moment and not way before when they could have spaced all of this out?

[cheerful-earl.livejournal.com]

I really did just want a mention. Or something. I get that the stakes are high and yeah, five people against the whole universe? I get that. But at least take the time to realize what you're doing. I think they just ignored it because the focus was on Sam and what the blood would do to him. Hm.

I really dislike the Lucifer having to drink blood thing. They brought up the fact that he was an angel and had to follow all the same rules, so I just don't understand why Lucifer would have to drink demon blood. I guess I can kind of see it with Nick- to keep him from drying out or busting a part, like some sort of scary lubrication, maybe? But Sam? And I guess I can see Sam needing to drink the blood to throw Lucifer off- I mean, it makes him stronger. But both? Just makes no sense to me.

Demon blood = problematic at this stage in the game. I had no issues with it in S4 (or before that, since it was what initially gave Sam his powers), but it's just being thrown everywhere now.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Except what did the blood do to him, exactly? It didn't really serve much purpose either way if Sam was dead-set on agreeing to becoming his vessel and falling into the cage. So it was really kind of pointless, imo.

I guess I can kind of see it with Nick- to keep him from drying out or busting a part, like some sort of scary lubrication, maybe? But Sam? And I guess I can see Sam needing to drink the blood to throw Lucifer off- I mean, it makes him stronger. But both? Just makes no sense to me.

My thoughts exactly, bb. Again, sloppy writing being sloppy and illogical. One could argue that with Lucifer's powers and Sam's own powers being all revved up it he could essentially be more powerful than ever before, but that was never shown or indicated. It just makes little sense why they would add that random factor in, especially so late into the game. Then again, they added a lot of things late into the game of the plot of the storyline, so it shouldn't surprise me that they were just pulling things out of their ass to waste some screentime (when they should have been filling it with the other character arcs and explanations, but that's using logic!)

Demon blood = problematic at this stage in the game. I had no issues with it in S4 (or before that, since it was what initially gave Sam his powers), but it's just being thrown everywhere now.

Totally problematic. Also, how exactly did this help Sam overcome his addictions? Wasn't that the goal of this season? He had been trying so hard but they did just keep throwing in there, hopefully disguising it as something of a plot device except it's one that has no purpose being in there when it makes little sense to his character arc of redemption this season.