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CASTIEL LIVED! HE IS ALRIGHT AND SURVIVED AND IS HIS ANGEL SELF AGAIN! \O/\O/\O/

HE GOT HIS ANGEL POWERS BACK! GOD BROUGHT HIM BACK FOR THAT PURPOSE OF HEALING HEAVEN AFTER EVERYTHING WENT DOWN BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT CASTIEL WOULDN'T JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW ORDERS BUT INSTEAD FIX SHIT IN HEAVEN AND THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I THEORIZED ALL ALONG! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THAT IS WHAT I WANTED. LIKE SERIOUSLY. AND DEAN SAYING "ARE YOU GOD?" WAS THE BEST EVER! DEAN WOULD TOTALLY BE UP FOR CASTIEL BEING GOD, AND I LOVED THAT. HE HEALED DEAN AND BROUGHT BOBBY BACK. CASTIEL BB, ILU AND I AM SOOOOO HAPPY THAT YOU DIDN'T BITE IT OR ARE COMPLETELY FAITHLESS OR HUMAN.

BUT WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT HUG? IF THERE WAS ANYTIME FOR A DEAN/CASTIEL HUG, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.

CASTIEL BETTER BE BACK NEXT SEASON THOUGH, BECAUSE KRIPKE FUCKING OWES US THAT HUG.


CASTIEL SURVIVED? CHECK. BOBBY SURVIVED? CHECK. CROWLEY SURVIVED? CHECK (ALTHOUGH HE WASN'T IN THIS EPISODE SO, OF COURSE HE DID).

MARKSHA - ILU BB AND I'LL MISS YOU ON MY SHOW BUT IT SUCKS FOR THE CHARACTER NICK LIKE, SRSLY, THAT WHOLE STORY IN THE PREMIERE I WAS EXPECTING SOMETHING MORE WITH HIM, BUT NOPE, MANIPULATIVE LUCIFER WAS MANIPULATIVE, RIP NICK YOU POOR BASTARD

ALSO - DOES THIS MEAN THAT CHUCK IS GOD? OR CHUCK IS JESUS INCARNATE? OR SOMETHING? OR! OR! WAS CHUCK A TRICKSTER? BECAUSE THAT IS PRECISELY HOW GABRIEL WENT OUT WHEN HE DISAPPEARED, Y/Y? PERHAPS CHUCK = GABRIEL? IDEK. EITHER WAY THAT ENDING WAS, WHOA. (ALSO, THAT WAS TOTALLY KRIPKE'S WAY OF SAYING GOODBYE TO THE FANS BECAUSE HE'S LEAVING US AND I THINK THAT FUCKING SUCKS, GENIUS BUT SUCKS BECAUSE I TRUST HIM WAYYYY MORE THAN SERA FUCKING GAMBLE - BUT I DIGRESS BECAUSE ALL IN ALL THAT THING WITH CHUCK TELLING US THE STORY AND THEN DISAPPEARING IN THE END WAS GENIUS)

ALSO, LOVED THE WHOLE THING ABOUT CHUCK GOING "FANS WILL BITCH" IN HIS MONOLOGUE BECAUSE LOL THAT IS SO TRUE. WE FANS DO BITCH QUITE A BIT. BUT SOMETIMES FOR GOOD REASON.

IN ALL HONESTY IT WAS KIND OF UNDERWHELMING AS FAR AS APOCALYPSE ENDINGS GO, AND THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING OF AN ACTUAL FIGHT LIKE, IDK, A SWORD FIGHT, BUT THE SHOW IS ABOUT FAMILY AND ABOUT BROTHERS AND ALL OF THAT. CHOICES, WHO MADE US AND ABOUT FREE WILL AND ALL OF THAT. IT'S BEEN ABOUT THE BROTHERS ALL ALONG AND SO YEAH. I STILL WISH THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE WITH DEAN AND HIS CHOSEN DESTINY ALONG WITH SAM AND HIS, I GUESS I HAD SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT IN MIND.

EH. DON'T LIKE THE ENDING WITH DEAN AND LISA. ONLY BECAUSE I STILL DON'T THINK DEAN REALLY "LOVES" LISA AT ALL. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HER THROUGH BEN, I THINK. BUT IDK, I GUESS THIS IS HIS WAY OF TRYING THAT NORMAL LIFE THING THAT HE PROMISED. BUT HONESTLY? I'M BETTING IT DOESN'T GO WELL, BECAUSE WE GET ANOTHER SEASON OF SHENANIGANS SO DUH, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. DEAN'S NOT ONE FOR SETTLING IN FOR ANYTHING.

BESIDES. WE ALL KNOW HE BELONGS WITH HIS ANGEL BOYFRIEND AND ONCE HIS REORGANIZING HEAVEN IS DONE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE. *NODS FIRMLY*

THAT ENDING - CLIFFHANGER!!!! IS THAT SAM? OR LUCIFER? OR BOTH? WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT SEASON THEN? IDEK PEOPLE.

BUT I'LL MY META ANALYSIS AND INTELLECTUAL THOUGHTS LATER.

CASTIEL IS OKAY AND FINE AND THE "NEW SHERIFF IN HEAVEN" AND I AM HAPPY. SO FUCKING HAPPY. THIS IS WHAT I WANTED AND I GOT IT.

NOW RESURRECT GABRIEL AND I'LL BE FUCKING OVERJOYED AND KISS YOUR FEET SHOW

Date: 2010-05-14 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thefreshchuff.livejournal.com
I'M SO GLAD CASTIEL IS OKAY!!!!! WHEN HE FUCKING EXPLODED, MY HEART STOPPED. I WAS INDIGNANT FOR THE ENTIRE REST OF THE SCENE, BECAUSE I JUST KEPT THINKING, "THAT'S HOW HE GOES OUT?"

I thought it was a little underwhelming and a LOT confusing too, but IDK SPN IS SO ODD BECAUSE I ALWAYS FIND SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH IT, AND ALWAYS STILL LOVE IT UNDYINGLY. EVEN AFTER THE EPISODE I WAS LIKE, "SOME OF THAT WAS KIND OF STUPID ... I LOVE THIS SHOW." LOL.

ALSO, AS FAR AS THE CHUCK IS GOD THING GOES, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE CONCLUSION FANDOM IS JUMPING TO. PERSONALLY, I FIGURED HE WAS BROUGHT TO EARTH AS A PROPHET TO TELL THE STORY OF THE WINCHESTERS, AND THEN FINISHED TELLING THE STORY, SO THERE HE WENT. THAT FITS THE KRIPKE PARALLEL EVEN BETTER, TO ME AT LEAST.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
YEAH. THIS SEASON HAS FELT INCOMPLETE STORYTELLING AND PACING WISE AND I WISHED WE COULD HAVE HAD MORE EPISODES FOCUSING ON THE TENSENESS OF EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF GOING EVERY WHICH WAY, IT HAS HOLES EVERYWHERE AND ALL OF THAT BUT...

I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL HAPPY BECAUSE MY BABY SURVIVED. IT'S SO WEIRD HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE SHOW THROUGH THAT, LOL.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIKE THAT PARALLEL MUCH BETTER TOO. BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.

I JUST HOPE SERA GAMBLE DOESN'T FUCK SHIT UP NEXT SEASON, THOUGH. AND I HAVE A SINKING FEELING SHE WILL. BUT AT LEAST WITH THIS FINALE CASTIEL GOT AN ENDING I AM HAPPY WITH, EVEN IF HIS CHARACTER STORY DIDN'T EXACTLY GET AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT AS I WOULD HAVE LIKED. SO I'M ALL GOOD. :)

Date: 2010-05-14 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyoka.livejournal.com
THIS ENTIRE POST.

CAS IS THE NEW SHERIFF IN HEAVEN. I AM SO HAPPY. \O/

Date: 2010-05-14 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
THAT HAS BEEN MY OWN THEORY ABOUT WHERE HIS CHARACTER ARC WOULD GO, AND I AM OVER THE MOON THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WENT! \O/ SO FUCKING HAPPY I COULD CRY.

COULD HAVE BEEN MORE DEAN/CAS MOMENTS THOUGH, BUT DEAN CALLING CASTIEL "GOD" WAS JUST ADORABLE. <3333
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
LOL IKR? I WAS SO FUCKING AFRAID BUT HE DID. \O/ PRAISE KRIPKE!

Date: 2010-05-14 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mulder200.livejournal.com
I'M PLEASED THAT CAS IS ALIVE AND KICKING! AND CHUCK AS GOD PLEASES ME! AND LOL WHAT HE SAID WAS SO TRUE! WHETHER GOOD OR BAD, FANS WILL BITCH REGARDLESS.

THE REST OF IT? I DON'T KNOW!

UNDERWHELMING IS DEFINITELY THE WORD I USE TO DESCRIBE IT.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I WAS SO TERRIFIED THAT CASTIEL WOULD BITE IT - I MEAN WHEN SAM!LUCIFER JUST DESTROYED HIM LIKE THAT I WAS LIKE, WHUT? D: IS THAT IT? BUT THEN I WAS SO SHOCKED TO SEE HIM AT THE END, THEN WITH THE HEALING OF DEAN AND THEN BOBBY, FULL!POWERED ANGEL AGAIN. CHOSEN BY GOD TO SET THINGS RIGHT IN HEAVEN. I JUST, YEAH. HAPPINESS. ME.

DEFINITELY UNDERWHELMING, MOSTLY BECAUSE I THINK THEY DIDN'T DO GREAT PREPARATION OF EVENTS LEADING TO THE FINALE. EVEN WITH CASTIEL'S JOURNEY, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FURTHER EXPLORED.

WHICH IS WHY I SAY, SPIN-OFF! CASTIEL SPIN-OFF! MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Date: 2010-05-14 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ohbooth.livejournal.com
Okay, I am with you on the farewell of Kripke thing. I think he totally went 'Okay, this is the way I was gonna end the show, and I am doing it, but I'll let you have the last five seconds to bring Sam back so you can continue your season 6'

I really think that would have been a PERFECT series finale. I mean, yeah, seriously. I may not even watch next year, because I'd rather remember it as 'Kripke's Show' than whatever they manage to turn it into next season. Like what? Now that he is happy and with Lisa again, Sam shows up and they head out again? IK how it's supposed to 'pick up' from where Kripke so neatly left it. Hmm- IDK, it may be just me.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
SERIOUSLY. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT SERIES ENDING. AND IT DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW? THE BROTHERS UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER, NO LONGER CODEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER, GROWING UP AS INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, SAM MAKING HIS CHOICE, TELLING DEAN TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE, AND CASTIEL HAVING HIS JOURNEY END ON A NOTE THAT I HAD ALWAYS WANTED OF HIM, ETC.

BUT IT DOES HAVE ITS HOLES, THIS SEASON IN GENERAL HAD SOME ISSUES. HEH. IDK HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO NEXT SEASON EITHER.

I THINK I'M LESS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT BECAUSE KRIPKE IS STEPPING DOWN AND LEAVING IT TO SERA FUCKING GAMBLE WHO I DO NOT TRUST WITH THE SHOW AND ITS DIRECTIONS. I HAVE A FEELING SHE'S GONNA FUCK EVERYTHING UP, BUT KRIPKE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN TO HIS BABY RIGHT? RIGHT?

Date: 2010-05-14 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ohbooth.livejournal.com
What are these holes you speak of? LOL, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that would have had me going "okay, sad that Sam dies, but that works, it's the only way the apocalypse could have ended without killing them both, I am good with that" I mean, it feels final. I feel fine with it (obviously cutting out the last five seconds, cause really... *points to icon*

You know, I don't trust ANYONE with the show like I trusted Kripke. So, if I continue to watch it, I'll be watching it with one eye open so to speak. I won't ever feel that 'Kripke will fix it' thing with shit I don't like/approve of. So if something happens that I don't like/approve of, I'll be all 'Oh shit, that's it, I'm done' and I have a feeling that is gonna happen a lot without Kripke. And IDK if he can keep it from happening. I mean, it WAS his baby. the five year arc was always his contingency. So, I think he is basically done- like 'I told the story I wanted to tell, everything else is just superfluous' I wouldn't blame him if he didn't even watch it.

Date: 2010-05-14 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
EH, THE SEASON FELT INCOMPLETE TO ME. THERE WERE THINGS THEY SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED MORE ON - APOCALYPSE-WISE - LEADING UP TO THIS MOMENT. THERE'S THE WHOLE THING WITH THE AMULET WHICH BURNED WHEN GOD WAS AROUND, WHICH ADDED TO CASTIEL'S JOURNEY, WHICH I FEEL WE WERE CHEATED OUT OF IN THE LATTER HALF OF THE SEASON. IT JUST ALL FEELS TOO....RUSHED HERE, HONESTLY. AND WHILE I LOVE THIS SHOW, THAT'S PISSING ME OFF OF HOW MUCH THEY WASTED AN ENTIRE SEASON THAT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM RESOLVED.

MOSTLY I'M LESS PLEASED WITH HOW THEY HANDLED CASTIEL IN THE LAST HALF OF THIS SEASON, SINCE HE'S MY FAVORITE CHARACTER. IT'S LIKE THEY RUSHED HIS JOURNEY SO THEY COULD HAVE THIS ENDING WHEN THEY COULD HAVE HAD MORE TO IT THAN THAT. LIKE, HIS SEARCH FOR GOD, REGAINING HIS FAITH, HIS COMPANIONSHIP WITH DEAN. IT WAS LIKE IT WASN'T MUCH OF A FACTOR IN THIS FINALE WHICH KIND OF MAKES ME GO "OKKKAYYY, SO IF HE'S NOT COMING BACK NEXT SEASON THIS IS IT? :/" I MEAN, YAY FOR REGAINING STATUS AND ALL BUT HOW? AND WHEN? AND ALL OF THAT.

So, I think he is basically done- like 'I told the story I wanted to tell, everything else is just superfluous' I wouldn't blame him if he didn't even watch it.

WHICH IS WHY THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE AGREED FOR A SIXTH SEASON. THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS SEASON BE ALL ABOUT WHAT KRIPKE SET OFF TO DO SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WRAPPED UP A BIT NEATER THAN IT WAS WITHOUT THAT KIND OF "SIXTH SEASON" LOOMING OVER THEM. IDK

SO YEAH, HOLES. INCOMPLETENESS. THAT'S IT FEELS TO ME. I'M ALL CONFLICTED RIGHT NOW.

Date: 2010-05-14 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ohbooth.livejournal.com
Okay, when you explain it that way, I see what you mean. It totally makes sense. And yeah, they should have only gone five seasons, and I think I am kinda done with it. I mean, I don't wanna know where they go from here if they are gonna fuck up my show furthur. Like you said, this season was less than stellar, and I think that's because of the whole 'yay we get another season' thing. So they didn't have to answer all the questions. I think they left some unanswered JUST to try to keep viewers which is crap. They could have ended THIS story and started another one next year- separate from the original storyline.

And the boys..... don't get me started on their hypocrisy. I heard them IN PERSON say that if Kripke left, they were gone too, and now Kripke is gone and they are sitting pretty on a fat paycheck. Solidifies my conviction that I want NOTHING to do with their personal lives anymore, they have become hypocrites and sellouts. Oh how the mighty have fallen.... and this took a turn, so I will stop now :P
Edited Date: 2010-05-14 07:47 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-05-14 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
They could have ended THIS story and started another one next year- separate from the original storyline.

Exactly. And, it's that the whole point for any show, honestly? That you'd plan an entire season to have a beginning, middle and end regardless whether you are having another season or more after it? Because many shows often times get worried about cancellation so they have to think about finishing the story, but still leave something to say "if we come back, we'll have this to tell" but still keep it satisfactory? This finale didn't feel satisfactory to me. It felt incomplete and rushed, like they spent a lot of it just tip-toeing around things until these last few episodes where we have the rings and Castiel becoming almost-human to just wrapping all that up. It just didn't make sense.

And there was a lot of left-fieldness from these last several episodes to really wrap this entire arc up. And I keep thinking, had you taken this apocalyptic arc seriously in the beginning of the season instead of dragging your heels show, we wouldn't have had this problem now, would we?

It's kind of interesting how most of fandom is feeling like how we're feeling right now. I wonder how that's gonna take with Kripke and Co.

I heard them IN PERSON say that if Kripke left, they were gone too, and now Kripke is gone and they are sitting pretty on a fat paycheck. Solidifies my conviction that I want NOTHING to do with their personal lives anymore, they have become hypocrites and sellouts.

From my understanding, and this is just from what I've read, is that when the announcement was made that there was to be a sixth season Kripke had been signed on for that. But some time later, it was announced that Kripke was stepping down, and I don't know if the boys could get out from that if they were already contracted.

I still want to maintain hope that Kripke will be working from the sidelines; that he's still part of the decision-making process, but he just won't be in the picture that much. You know? But I'm not familiar with how all this works or even why he stepped down in the first place. So, I don't know.

Date: 2010-05-17 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ohbooth.livejournal.com
You know what? I don't like that cop out. Theirs, that they were contracted and they can't get out of it. Whatever, if you want bad enough, you can get out of anything. They may have had to pay more or hire lawyers, but if they didn't really want to they could have gotten out of it, anything can be reversed or undone, don't let them make you think any different.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexwhitman25.livejournal.com
Heh, I kinda hated it with a passion.

I don't see how Cas will be back next season unless he just pops in for an episode. He's seemingly even more powerful now than he was before. I had a hard time buying that he just zapped back to heaven after everything he's been through. Part of the reason I loved Cas so much is that he became more than just your typical angel and somewhat embraced free will and humanity. I'm thinking that might have been his goodbye scene in the car, which yeah underwhelming. Not even a "We've been through much together" blah blah blah. I don't understand why they made him human last week. I mean we didn't even get a discussion with anyone last week about what being human could mean for him, it all ended up being pointless. Well except so they could do that "shocker" of blowing him up. This whole episode was like there was never any bond between Dean and Cas. I don't even know.

Dean and Lisa, man oh man do I have issues. It was annoying enough when it popped back up before. But I truly thought it was all just a representation of Dean's fantasy of a normal life and family. But now he's living it out with some chick he banged one weekend that he barely knows? Are they now going to be a fixture in the 6th season? If not, Dean is just gonna take off on Ben? I assume a somewhat large amount of time is supposed to have passed with the way the naaration went. I don't even know.

Dean lives his normal life and doesn't stay in contact with Bobby?

I can't buy into the Chuck is God bit. Unless he just recently became God. What about the amulet? And Becky? EW...But I do think that is what they were going for.

I called the yellow crayon bit, but I think the majority of fandom saw that coming.

The light exploding was weird. Was it Sam's ghost? Is it Sam?

I can't even put a whole lot of thought into the episode and it's ramifications because sadly I don't much care at the moment. But I'm glad that it worked for some of fandom and that you got some enjoyment out of it. I look forward to your meta post.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I THINK I'M MORE HAPPY ABOUT CASTIEL JUST SURVIVING AND HAVING THE END THAT I'D ALWAYS WANTED OF HIM, AT LEAST AT THE END OF THIS SEASON.

BUT I AGREE - THEY REALLY UNDERUSED CASTIEL'S JOURNEY THIS SEASON WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN A REGULAR CHARACTER. THAT'S NOT HOW YOU TREAT A REGULAR CHARACTER. HE HAD MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT LAST SEASON THAN THIS SEASON, AND I AGREE THERE REALLY WAS NO EXPLANATION OR FURTHERING THE "HE'S HUMAN NOW" THING FROM LAST EPISODE AND NOW HE'S SUDDENLY BROUGHT BACK AND HAS FAITH IN GOD AGAIN? HOW EXACTLY DID THAT WORK OUT? WASN'T THERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN MORE TO IT THAN THAT, ESP SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE EPISODE HE HAD LOSS OF FAITH IN STOPPING THE APOCALYPSE?

AND YES, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE TO CASTIEL AND DEAN'S "GOODBYE", AT LEAST MENTIONING OF HOW MUCH THEY WENT THROUGH TOGETHER KIND OF LIKE HOW THE S4 FINALE WAS. I FELT CHEATED IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

IT WAS FAR TOO RUSHED, WHICH I THINK WAS KRIPKE FITTING EVERYTHING INTO THIS HOUR BEFORE HE LEFT - AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT SERA GAMBLE IS GONNA DO WITH THE SHOW NOW THAT HE'S HANDING IT TO HER. WHICH I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT.

OMG YES WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING AMULET?! PLOT HOLES, PLOT HOLES EVERYWHERE. UNRESOLVED SHIT THAT NEVER WILL GET RESOLVED NOW.

MAJOR ISSUES WITH THIS SEASON. LIKED BITS OF IT, LOVED CERTAIN PARTS, BUT OVERALL? NOT THE BEST WAY OF HANDLING THE APOCALYPSE OR RESOLVING THE BROTHER ANTICS AT ALL.

I'M SO CONFLICTED AND CONFUSED.

Date: 2010-05-14 06:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexwhitman25.livejournal.com
I just feel like all the growth that happened with Cas over the past two seasons was almost for nothing. All his learning about free will and humanity results in him returning to the heavenly fold full of asshats that do nothing but watch the events on Earth? So now he's gonna spend his time being a misbehaving angel wrangler? It makes me sad.

Date: 2010-05-14 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I KNOW. SOMEHOW THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT THE MORE SAD I BECOME. I MEAN, THIS IS THE ENDING I PREDICTED AND WANTED WHICH YAY THAT HE SURVIVED AND ALL, BUT HOW THEY JUST MADE IT SEEM SO QUICK JUST WAS LIKE....WHAT? THAT'S IT, REALLY? WHERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT, THE JOURNEY, HAVING HIS CHARACTER BEING TREATED FAIRLY EVEN THOUGH HE WAS LABELED AS A REGULAR.

INCOMPLETENESS. :/

DNW SERA GAMBLE NEXT SEASON. SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
I AM SO HAPPY CAS GOT HIS POWERS BACK. (ALSO, PLEASE BRING GABRIEL BACK, AND HE CAN HELP SPICE UP HEAVEN.) I'M LESS THRILLED WITH HIS LAST SCENE WITH DEAN. EVEN AS FRIENDS, THAT WAS A CRAPPY ENDING FOR THEM. BUT CAS IS ALIVE!!! BUT DID HEAVEN GET THE MEMO THAT HE'S NO LONGER ON THE HIT LIST? I WOULD HAVE ALSO LIKED AN OPEN ENDED STATEMENT ABOUT NOT GOING TO HEAVEN PERMANENTLY. I ALSO SORT OF FELT LIKE CAS REVERTED TO CAS 1.0 WITH HIS POWERUP, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE HIM LONG ENOUGH. BUT I JUST WANT HIM TO BE A FULLY POWERED ANGEL USING WHAT HE UNDERSTANDS ABOUT HUMANITY AND FREE WILL. AND SINCE WE DON'T KNOW IF MISHA IS BACK NEXT SEASON, I JUST FELT LIKE THE VERY ENDING WAS NOT A GOOD ENDING IF THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST WE SEE OF HIS CHARACTER.

Date: 2010-05-14 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I WAS PISSED ABOUT THAT TOO. THERE WAS NOTHING TO SAY "HEY, WE WENT THROUGH SO MUCH TOGETHER, THIS IS WHERE WE SAY GOODBYE" KIND OF SPEECH BECAUSE HONESTLY? THEY DID GO THROUGH MUCH TOGETHER. CASTIEL SACRIFICED AND DIED FOR DEAN, THEY HAD A BOND AND FRIENDSHIP AND IT ENDS LIKE THAT? I MEAN JUST - RIPOFF SHOW. TOTAL FUCKING RIPOFF.

I FEEL THE SAME WAY YOU DO. I WISH THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE TO CASTIEL AND HIS JOURNEY, AND IT DID FEEL LIKE HE WENT BACK TO BEING CASTIEL 1.0, BUT PERHAPS THAT'S JUST HIM RETAINING HIS POWER? PERHAPS HE ACTED MORE LAX WHEN HE FELT HIS POWER DRAINED FROM HIM? IT'S NOT EASY FOR AN ANGEL TO KEEP THEIR TRUE VISAGE EVEN WITHIN THEIR CHOSEN VESSELS? PERHAPS? IDK BUT THEY REALLY NEEDED MORE TIME TO FIX THAT FOR HIS JOURNEY THIS SESON. THEY REALLY RUSHED EVERYTHING INTO THIS FINALE - FROM CASTIEL BEING FAITHLESS AND HAVING LITTLE HOPE AND ALMOST-HUMAN TO REGAINING THAT FAITH AND HOPE AND HIS STATUS IN HEAVEN. I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY LIKE HOW THEY ENDED IT SO QUICKLY.

BUT STILL, IF ANYTHING I DID LIKE THAT THAT'S HOW THEY WANTED HIS CHARACTER TO END UP, EVEN IF THEY FAILED AT GIVING HIM A CHANCE TO SHOW THAT DEVELOPMENT OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON.

Date: 2010-05-14 06:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
I DO FEEL RIPPED OFF THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF GOODBYBE BETWEEN DEAN AND CAS.

AND CAS REALLY WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE THESE LAST TWO EPS. HE'S HUMAN FOR ABOUT AN EP, AND THEN HE'S BACK. REALLY, THOUGH I DIDN'T LIKE THE HUMAN THING, IF THIS WAS THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG, WHY NOT HAVE HIM GETTING WEAKER AS THE SEASON WENT ON, INSTEAD OF BLOWING ALL HIS POWER OUT IN 5.18, BEING NEARLY HUMAN FOR AN EP, AND THEN BEING JUST FINE AGAIN?

REALLY, THOUGH, I COULD BE FINE WITH ALL THAT IF WE HAD JUST GOT A FREAKING GOODBYE SCENE. AS FRIENDS. BECAUSE THEY ARE FRIENDS.

Date: 2010-05-14 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
A HUG WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE, AT LEAST. COME ON SHOW. :/

REALLY. IT DID SEEM ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH HIS CHARACTER. AS I NEVER DID BELIEVE HE WAS GETTING WEAKER, THAT BANISHING THING WOULD HAVE DONE THAT TRICK INSTEAD OF MAKING HIM ALMOST-HUMAN, AND WITH THIS EPISODE IT SEEMED LIKE "OH YEAH, CASTIEL MAY OR MAY NOT RETURN NEXT SEASON, SO WE'RE WRAPPING IT ALL UP HERE AND NOW" WHICH MAKES ME THINK THAT WHATEVER THEY HAD PLANNED FOR CASTIEL WAS SETBACK MIDSEASON OR SOMETHING.

SOMEHOW I FEEL LIKE THIS WAS SERA GAMBLE'S DOING. SINCE SHE HATES THE ANGEL STUFF THEY NEEDED TO WRAP UP HIS STORY BEFORE SHE GOT HER HANDS ON IT. WHICH IF THAT IS THE CASE, FUCK YOU GAMBLE.

YES. THEY ARE FRIENDS, AND THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AND I AM FUCKING BUMMED THAT WE WERE CHEATED OUT ON ANYTHING OF FRIENDSHIP. AT LEAST A MEANINGFUL GOODBYE WITH A HUG OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE HONESTLY, THEY WENT THROUGH SO MUCH OVER THE SEASON AND NOW IT'S JUST ALL. NOT THERE. AND JUST, WHUT?

Date: 2010-05-14 07:18 am (UTC)
forwardish: (SPN Dean/Cas "can you hear heaven cry")
From: [personal profile] forwardish
I think we are supposed to question the Chuck thing.


IDEK ABOUT THE WHOLE THING OKAY, IDEK SRSLY LIKE OMFG.


BUT I DIGRESS BECAUSE ALL IN ALL THAT THING WITH CHUCK TELLING US THE STORY AND THEN DISAPPEARING IN THE END WAS GENIUS).

AGREED.

And Cas went explodey and I was going to have ot kill someone and then he wasn't dead and I was breathing and so it was somewhat okay that Sam and Lucifer fell into that hole thing because CAS WAS NOT DEAD.

Date: 2010-05-15 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I DON'T BELIEVE CHUCK IS GOD BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED WITH HIS CHARACTER OVER THE COURSE OF THESE TWO SEASONS - LIKE, WHY WOULD HE NEED AN ARCHANGEL PROTECTING HIM? WHY WOULD ZACHARIAH APPEAR TO HIM AND THREATEN HIM AND SUCH (UNLESS ZACHARIAH KNEW HE WAS GOD AND WAS PUNISHING HIM FOR HIS OWN GOOD? IDEK)

LIKE, I GET QUESTIONING THE CHUCK THING BUT SOMEHOW IF IT IS CONFIRMED I THINK IT'S MORE OF THE KRIPKE = GOD COMPLEX THING, SINCE ESSENTIALLY CHUCK IS THE REPRESENTATION OF KRIPKE IN THE SHOW. SO, IDK

I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. I LIKED IT, BUT I HATED IT, I I'M GLAD CASTIEL SURVIVED AND IS ANGELY AGAIN, BUT I HATED HOW THEY TREATED HIS STORYLINE AT THE END WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED. AND. AND. AND.

YEAH.
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Date: 2010-05-14 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I DON'T THINK HE'S BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL HEAVEN-SERVING SELF FROM BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY. SINCE WITH ALL HE'S BEEN THROUGH. WE DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH OF HIM TOWARDS THE END TO REALLY SEE THAT, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A SENSE THAT SOMETHING WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT HIM. HE'S MORE POWERFUL IF HE WAS ABLE TO CLEAN UP DEAN INSTANTLY AND BRING BOBBY BACK TO LIFE (MADE AN ARCHANGEL PERHAPS AS A REWARD?) PERHAPS HE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE DOESN'T NEED BLIND FAITH TO BELIEVE, THAT HE REALIZED THAT THIS WAS HIS TEST?

BUT IT WAS TOO RUSHED, I FELT. THERE WAS LITTLE EXPLANATION FOR ANYTHING OF THAT, ESP SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF HIS FAITH AND NOW SUDDENLY HE DOES. I MEAN I DO HAVE THEORIES BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THEORIES BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED TO US THE WHYS AND HOWS AND HIS JOURNEY AND ALL OF THAT.

I DON'T KNOW. I LIKED IT WHEN IT AIRED BUT AFTER THE FACT, I'M FINDING MORE AND MORE PLOT HOLES. IT'S DISTRESSING AND SAD TO ME.
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Date: 2010-05-14 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I DON'T KNOW. WITH THIS FINALE IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP CONCERNING HIM BUT THEY DID LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN IN CASE HE COULD RETURN. BUT IN ALL HONESTY, WITH KRIPKE GOING AND GAMBLE TAKING CHARGE, I DON'T WANT HER BEING IN CONTROL OVER OUR PRECIOUS CASTIEL. BECAUSE SHE FUCKS SHIT UP SO BADLY WITH HER WRITING (AND SHE HATES THE ANGEL STUFF, AND I THINK DOESN'T CARE FOR CASTIEL THAT MUCH EITHER SO)

IF YOU LOOK AT MY NEW RECENT POST I MADE I EXPLAIN MORE OF MY THOUGHTS ABOUT CASTIEL'S JOURNEY AND WHAT THEY DID HERE IN THE FINALE. :/

Date: 2010-05-14 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I LIKED IT WHEN IT WAS AIRING, BUT I'M SORT OF RETHINKING THAT AS I'M FINDING OUT THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THE EPISODE THE MORE AND MORE PLOT HOLES I'M SEEING. ESPECIALLY WITH HOW THE APOCALYPSE WAS HANDLED AND OF COURSE CASTIEL'S STORYLINE. WHICH, WITH ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT FROM S4 AND S5...THAT'S ALL WE GET? JUST HIM BEING RESURRECTED ONCE MORE TO HEAL DEAN AND BOBBY AND RETURN TO HEAVEN? AFTER ALL OF WHAT HE'S GONE THROUGH? IDK WHAT TO FEEL RIGHT NOW.

Date: 2010-05-14 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entangled-now.livejournal.com
HONESTLY I THOUGHT THIS ENDING FOR CASTIEL WAS WAY TOO MUCH TO HOPE FOR AND THEY DID IT, THEY ACTUALLY DID IT. BOBBY AND CROWLEY SURVIVED ALSO AND NO MATTER WHAT ELSE THE EPISODE DID I WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY JUST WITH THAT!!

I AM GOING TO MISS MARKSHA BEING EVILS AND CHARMING ON MY TV ;_;

Date: 2010-05-14 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
THEY DID IT, AND I LIKED THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF REWARD CASTIEL GOT BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID AFTER EVERYTHING HE WOULDN'T GET SUCH A BREAK FOR ALL HIS SACRIFICES. ALTHOUGH I WISHED WE HAD MORE BUILD-UP TO SEEING HIM RETURN TO SUCH A STATE, AND I THINK IT WAS ALL TOO RUSHED BECAUSE GOING BACK TO HEAVEN, WHEN ALL HIS SIBLINGS HAD BEEN TRYING TO KILL HIM? MOST OF WHICH STILL THINK GOD ABANDONED THEM OR IS DEAD? THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF THINGS LEFT UNSAID AND UNANSWERED AND UNEXPLAINED FOR WHERE HE WOUND UP TOWARDS THE END.

I WANTED THEM ALL TO SURVIVE AND THEY DID, BUT AGAIN I THINK IT WAS ALL TOO RUSHED TOO QUICKLY. :/

MARKSHHAAAA! I'LL MISS YOUR LUCIFER MOST OF ALL. JARED WAS OKAY AND ALL BUT, HONESTLY? MARKSHA WAS THE BEST LUCIFER. ALL THE WAY. <3 I'LL MISS YOU BB!

Date: 2010-05-14 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entangled-now.livejournal.com
I DESPERATELY NEEDED HIM NOT TO GET SHAFTED AFTER ALL HIS SACRIFICES AND HE WASN'T. BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING HAPPENED WAY TOO FAST AND THERE WAS NO CLOSURE (OH I DON'T WANT TO SAY CLOSURE BUT JUST IN CASE HE DOESN'T COME BACK.) BUT I THINK IF HE'S AN ARCHANGEL THEN AT LEAST MOST OF THE OTHERS WILL REALISE GOD DID IT AND NOT PICK ON HIM ANY MORE.

I'M GOING TO MISS HIM AND HIS LUCIFER SO MUCH, HE WAS AMAZING IN EVERY SCENE HE WAS IN ♥

Date: 2010-05-15 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I THINK UNSATISFACTORY IS THE WORD. AND ANTICLIMACTIC. HAD THIS BEEN WHERE THEY WERE GONNA END CASTIEL'S JOURNEY ENTIRELY I WOULD HAVE WANTED IT EXTENDED TO THE SIXTH SEASON OR PREPPED MORE EARLIER SO WE GOT A FEEL OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM. LIKE I LIKED THAT SCENARIO BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE WERE GIVEN.

MARKSHA'S LUCIFER IS THE BEST. I'LL MISS HIM LIKE WHOA. :(( I THINK CASTIEL WILL RETURN NEXT SEASON, BUT I'M TORN WHETHER I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN OR NOT IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA ABUSE HIS CHARACTER LIKE THEY DID HERE. :/

Date: 2010-05-14 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweetsyren.livejournal.com
EH. DON'T LIKE THE ENDING WITH DEAN AND LISA. ONLY BECAUSE I STILL DON'T THINK DEAN REALLY "LOVES" LISA AT ALL. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HER THROUGH BEN, I THINK. BUT IDK, I GUESS THIS IS HIS WAY OF TRYING THAT NORMAL LIFE THING THAT HE PROMISED. BUT HONESTLY? I'M BETTING IT DOESN'T GO WELL, BECAUSE WE GET ANOTHER SEASON OF SHENANIGANS SO DUH, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. DEAN'S NOT ONE FOR SETTLING IN FOR ANYTHING.

BESIDES. WE ALL KNOW HE BELONGS WITH HIS ANGEL BOYFRIEND AND ONCE HIS REORGANIZING HEAVEN IS DONE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE. *NODS FIRMLY*


Yep. This. Allllllllllllll of this.

I loved it just after I watched it but now i have time to think about it...IDK. There were many holes. IDK...

Date: 2010-05-14 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I KNOW. I'M FINDING THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THINGS THE MORE I'M FINDING JUST HOW RUSHED AND PLOT-HOLEY IT ALL SEEMED. THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH THEY HAD TO WRAP UP AND NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO IT. WHICH IS WHY THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SLACKED OFF AT CERTAIN POINTS THIS SEASON AND JUST KEPT IT ON THAT HIGH NOTE ALL SEASON LONG - BECAUSE HELLO, APOCALYPSE.

THERE WAS SO MUCH THEY HAD TO FIT IN AND TOO LITTLE EXPLANATION FOR THE LOT OF IT. WHAT ABOUT DEAN'S DESTINY? CASTIEL'S JOURNEY? THEIR BFFNESS? AND BOBBY, WHAT ABOUT HIS DEAL AND WILL CROWLEY KEEP HIS PROMISE? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER ANGELS IN HEAVEN WHO DON'T BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL RETURN? DEAN'S AMULET WHICH WAS WAS A HUGE DEAL? SO ARE ALL THE ARCHANGELS GONE NOW? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH LEFT UNSAID AND I FELT LIKE WE WERE CHEATED OUT OF SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN GRANDER FOR A FINALE. :(

AND THAT LEAVES ME FEELING COLD FOR GAMBLE TAKING CHARGE NEXT SEASON. DNW.
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Date: 2010-05-14 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY BB. I LIKED IT, BUT I DIDN'T, AND I'M MIFFED AND UPSET BUT HAPPY THAT EVERYONE SURVIVED, BUT STILL DIDN'T LIKE IT YET I DID BUT DIDN'T, YEAH, IDK

THIS SHOW DOES WEIRD THINGS TO MY EMOTIONS.

WHAT'S UP WITH THE ANTM GIF?

Date: 2010-05-14 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philstar22.livejournal.com
YES! CAS LIVES AND IS BAMF AGAIN. I WISH HE'D STUCK AROUND, BUT I MUCH PREFER BAMF, TAKING CHARGE CAS (NOW IF HE'D ONLY REALIZE DEAN WANTS HIM TO TAKE CHARGE IN THE BEDROOM).

I LIKES ANTM + THAT REACTION = MY REACTION

Date: 2010-05-15 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I DO LOVE THAT HE'S FULL-POWERED BAMF ANGEL AGAIN (ARCHANGEL PERHAPS? BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL THAN BEFORE AS HIS REWARD FOR BEING SO FAITHFUL WHEN OTHERS WEREN'T?) AND THAT HE LIVED AND GOD WANTED HIM TO LIVE FOR THAT PURPOSE OF BITCHSLAPPING HEAVEN TOGETHER AGAIN. BUT I JUST WISHED WE'D GOTTEN MORE LEAD UP TO THAT, YOU KNOW? AFTER EVERYTHING, HIS LOSS IN FAITH, BECOMING ALMOST-HUMAN, IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE LIKE BOOM, HE'S AN ANGEL AGAIN AND OFF TO RESTORE HEAVEN! THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT. PLUS WITH EXPLANATIONS. IT ALL HAPPENED TO SUDDEN, TOO QUICK, TOO RUSHED.

ESPECIALLY REGARDING DEAN/CASTIEL AND THEIR BOND AND FRIENDSHIP THAT'D BEEN FORMED OVER THE LAST TWO SEASONS. I'M AFRAID THAT IF HE DOES RETURN NEXT SEASON IT'LL BE FORGOTTEN COMPLETELY. I JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT I'M HAPPY HE SURVIVED AND GOT WHAT I HAD THEORIZED WOULD HAPPEN AFTER EVERYTHING. I JUST WISHED IT WAS HANDLED BETTER.

(CASTIEL WOULD TOTALLY TAKE CHARGE IN THE BEDROOM WITH DEAN, BECAUSE HE'S A BAMF IN ALL FORMS. ;D)
From: [identity profile] philstar22.livejournal.com
YES, IT COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BETTER. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SCENES BETWEEN DEAN AND CAS. IT WAS LIKE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN. I GET THAT SAM IS MOST IMPORTANT TO DEAN. HOWEVER, HE CARES ABOUT CAS TOO.

I'M HOPING HE COMES BACK AND IS STILL FRIENDS WITH DEAN.

YES, CAS WOULD BE IN CHARGE IN THE BEDROOM. I LOVE THE IDEA OF HIM USING CLINICAL TERMS TO ORDER DEAN AROUND AND DEAN FINDING IT A TURN ON.

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