SPN: Castiel, S6 finale thoughts
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rogueslayer452Everyone's been freaking out about it, or rather the vagueness of what the spoilers concerning the finale could possibly mean. I myself have been kind of staying away from the majority of the fandom freak-out because it adds more anxiety than necessary. But that doesn't stop me from forming my own thoughts and opinions on the finale itself and what could possibly happen.
Three things are very certain based on the spoilers: the finale will be a cliffhanger, at least two unexpected deaths are going to occur, and that there are particular unexpected twists and curveballs going to be thrown at us that even the cast themselves were shocked by.
Now, the unexpected deaths thing really kind of confuses me because with this show anyone can die because they love killing characters. Some are thinking that Castiel might be on that list but honestly, Castiel has died twice in both finales he's been featured in, so that's not really unexpected or shocking. Plus I don't think they would want to enrage the fans further because Castiel is not only a series regular but also a beloved fan favorite, to get rid of him at this point would be ridiculously stupid and they know it. I think Bobby is the only character I can think of that would qualify as an unexpected death. Of course I read that Lisa and Ben are returning in the finale (booooo), and the likelihood of them getting offed seems to be very high. Since you know, nobody would be expecting it. So really, who knows what this means or if they're just hyping things up for the anticipation.
The biggest concern is about Castiel and his fate/involvement in the finale. In fact there are a few spoilers floating about which, while vague, give the impression that something horrible is going to happen regarding his character. And I have seen people speculating his fate and I definitely want to place my two cents into the pile.
First of all, the assumption that Castiel is going to turn evil is, in my opinion, downright ridiculous. There are no indications whatsoever that Castiel has remotely turned Dark Side for whatever reason. In fact, despite how this season has gone, it's pretty clear that he's been struggling with revealing his emotions with what he's been doing during this war he's been fighting. In fact, from the way he's been appearing lately he seems to be more tired and exhausted than ever before with everything, and that's definitely not a sign that he'll eventually turn evil. The exact opposite, really. Secondly, there's the fear that Castiel might turn against the Winchesters. He has mentioned that certain regrettable things have been required of him during this war, which indicates he's had to make difficult choices and decisions that he obviously doesn't agree with but he has to make because of what's at stake, and given the spoilers that he's going to be chatting with the Mother in an upcoming episode, this very fear of what this could mean between him and the Winchesters is very understandable.
Castiel is doing whatever he can to win this war, and desperate times might call for desperate measures if he's propositioned something that might help aid him, but those rarely (if ever) end well (ex. Crowley helping the boys out last season, good at the time but not in the long run) so if this is true, it's definitely going to bite Castiel in the ass.
Now, I'm all for having Castiel's storyline progress further into more morally challenging territories, him questioning himself and his current position and whether what he's doing is right, and so far this season there seems to be much indication that he might be in way over his head with this particular war. However, my main concern is his relationship with the Winchesters, particularly with Dean, because it's been hinted that by the end of this season the main four characters aren't going to be on the same level as they once were in the beginning of the season. Though this is confusing because in the beginning of this season neither of them were on the same page, not even between Dean and Castiel -- because let's face it, Dean has been acting like an asshole towards Castiel for absolutely no reason which makes me sad. So if they split them up further I'm going to be majorly pissed off. They've been not on good terms lately and I hope whatever shifts are gonna happen are for the better and not the worst, but this show loves its angst so you never know what they'll do.
Case in point: Castiel would never betray the Winchesters, not after everything they've gone through together, and he's definitely not intentionally turning evil or against them for whatever reason. Even with some statements like the "power hungry" quote Jared Padalecki made in an interview, because Castiel wants order and peace in Heaven, but it's like, have you even met his character? He's not the "power-hungry" type at all. Just, yeah.
I'm highly concerned over him, is all. It's just nail-biting anxiety over his character because if there's one character I love and adore and care about on this show anymore is Castiel, and if they ruin his character idk what I'd do.
Never mind that this finale will be a cliffhanger, therefore adding more anxiety and worrisome thoughts into ours head.
Those are my thoughts as of right now. Feel free to add your own input or concerns or theories into the mix.
Also, I'm currently dog-sitting for the weekend and haven't been able to get to the Internet for a long period of time because the puppy is rather rambunctious and the only time he's ever calm is when he's sleeping/tired, which is usually when I am sleepy and tired myself from chasing the little thing around and making sure there are no "accidents" in the house. So I might not be able to reply immediately as I usually do because of this responsibility, but I'll do my best whenever I have a free moment.
Three things are very certain based on the spoilers: the finale will be a cliffhanger, at least two unexpected deaths are going to occur, and that there are particular unexpected twists and curveballs going to be thrown at us that even the cast themselves were shocked by.
Now, the unexpected deaths thing really kind of confuses me because with this show anyone can die because they love killing characters. Some are thinking that Castiel might be on that list but honestly, Castiel has died twice in both finales he's been featured in, so that's not really unexpected or shocking. Plus I don't think they would want to enrage the fans further because Castiel is not only a series regular but also a beloved fan favorite, to get rid of him at this point would be ridiculously stupid and they know it. I think Bobby is the only character I can think of that would qualify as an unexpected death. Of course I read that Lisa and Ben are returning in the finale (booooo), and the likelihood of them getting offed seems to be very high. Since you know, nobody would be expecting it. So really, who knows what this means or if they're just hyping things up for the anticipation.
The biggest concern is about Castiel and his fate/involvement in the finale. In fact there are a few spoilers floating about which, while vague, give the impression that something horrible is going to happen regarding his character. And I have seen people speculating his fate and I definitely want to place my two cents into the pile.
First of all, the assumption that Castiel is going to turn evil is, in my opinion, downright ridiculous. There are no indications whatsoever that Castiel has remotely turned Dark Side for whatever reason. In fact, despite how this season has gone, it's pretty clear that he's been struggling with revealing his emotions with what he's been doing during this war he's been fighting. In fact, from the way he's been appearing lately he seems to be more tired and exhausted than ever before with everything, and that's definitely not a sign that he'll eventually turn evil. The exact opposite, really. Secondly, there's the fear that Castiel might turn against the Winchesters. He has mentioned that certain regrettable things have been required of him during this war, which indicates he's had to make difficult choices and decisions that he obviously doesn't agree with but he has to make because of what's at stake, and given the spoilers that he's going to be chatting with the Mother in an upcoming episode, this very fear of what this could mean between him and the Winchesters is very understandable.
Castiel is doing whatever he can to win this war, and desperate times might call for desperate measures if he's propositioned something that might help aid him, but those rarely (if ever) end well (ex. Crowley helping the boys out last season, good at the time but not in the long run) so if this is true, it's definitely going to bite Castiel in the ass.
Now, I'm all for having Castiel's storyline progress further into more morally challenging territories, him questioning himself and his current position and whether what he's doing is right, and so far this season there seems to be much indication that he might be in way over his head with this particular war. However, my main concern is his relationship with the Winchesters, particularly with Dean, because it's been hinted that by the end of this season the main four characters aren't going to be on the same level as they once were in the beginning of the season. Though this is confusing because in the beginning of this season neither of them were on the same page, not even between Dean and Castiel -- because let's face it, Dean has been acting like an asshole towards Castiel for absolutely no reason which makes me sad. So if they split them up further I'm going to be majorly pissed off. They've been not on good terms lately and I hope whatever shifts are gonna happen are for the better and not the worst, but this show loves its angst so you never know what they'll do.
Case in point: Castiel would never betray the Winchesters, not after everything they've gone through together, and he's definitely not intentionally turning evil or against them for whatever reason. Even with some statements like the "power hungry" quote Jared Padalecki made in an interview, because Castiel wants order and peace in Heaven, but it's like, have you even met his character? He's not the "power-hungry" type at all. Just, yeah.
I'm highly concerned over him, is all. It's just nail-biting anxiety over his character because if there's one character I love and adore and care about on this show anymore is Castiel, and if they ruin his character idk what I'd do.
Never mind that this finale will be a cliffhanger, therefore adding more anxiety and worrisome thoughts into ours head.
Those are my thoughts as of right now. Feel free to add your own input or concerns or theories into the mix.
Also, I'm currently dog-sitting for the weekend and haven't been able to get to the Internet for a long period of time because the puppy is rather rambunctious and the only time he's ever calm is when he's sleeping/tired, which is usually when I am sleepy and tired myself from chasing the little thing around and making sure there are no "accidents" in the house. So I might not be able to reply immediately as I usually do because of this responsibility, but I'll do my best whenever I have a free moment.
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Date: 2011-03-19 03:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-19 06:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-19 04:18 pm (UTC)Sadly I have to agree with you about that. If just have so little faith in the writing team at this point.
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Date: 2011-03-19 06:17 pm (UTC)And I totally feel you. I wish it weren't the case and that I can actually have faith in the writers and the direction, but unfortunately with how this season has gone anything is possible with them butchering his characterization and storyline completely to fit whatever nonsensical plot they have planned next season. ITA, it feels like they barely think ahead of what they have planned for a seasonal arc and how it relates to the overall consistency of the story. It's disconcerting, honestly.
I hope we're proven wrong, though. I really hope we're proven wrong.
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Date: 2011-03-19 04:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-19 06:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-19 04:09 pm (UTC)As much I hope that Castiel won't die, I'm dreading it because the show hasn't been good to him lately. As for him going dark side or whatever, if that happens, then what's the point of his development in the last two years? On one hand, I won't be surprised if they did turned him into a power hungry character just because.
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Date: 2011-03-19 06:06 pm (UTC)With how this season has been going I wouldn't be surprised either, but Edlund and Kripke are involved in the last three episodes of the season where all this emotional and important arcs are going to be revealed, and I love Edlund and I kinda trust Kripke more than Gamble anyway (but will never forgive him for the mess that was "Swan Song") But at the same time, I agree, it wouldn't make sense with the consistency of Castiel's character development over these last two and a half seasons. Morally conflicted? That I can deal with. But not flat out making him turning his back on the Winchesters, because that's not who Castiel is and I think he would rather die than betray them.
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Date: 2011-03-19 05:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-19 05:47 pm (UTC)I love conflicted!Castiel, it actually adds more depth to his character and shows more of his humanity when he questions and doubts, not the other way around.
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Date: 2011-03-19 05:30 pm (UTC)So I try to think about what would make sense to happen, and power-hungry, evil Cas is definitely not on that list. Regrettable things, tough decisions, yes, but always with the very best of intentions, and because he was trying to choose the lesser evil.
As for the unexpected deaths, I distinguish between a character dying - like Cas in the finales of the last two seasons - and a characer dying, like Gabriel or Ellen and Jo, for example. And I am worried that Castiel may die, but I try not to think about that possibility too much. I just tell myself that killing of a fan favourite like Cas for good would be incredibly stupid. My guess - and hope, if I'm honest - is Lisa and Ben. Why else bring them back?
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Date: 2011-03-19 05:58 pm (UTC)I know what you mean. It's kind of meaningless to say "unexpected deaths" when we know they'll be resurrected eventually, so it makes you question if they're talking about a permanent death.
ITA regarding Lisa and Ben. They've just been serving no purpose than adding the man!angst with Dean this entire season, so by having them dying would of course be adding more to that angst to mull over into the next season. Which is overdone and boring at this point. The audience never cared about these people, why are you bringing them back? idgi
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Date: 2011-03-19 05:51 pm (UTC)The writers have for years kept their audience through fear; fear that they will kill or butcher one of our fave characters and that is really pathetic on their parts.
I sadly think for the crew and cast, who deserve much better; will see that the seventh season is going to a painful swan song; especially with more and more fans wising up to the writers ploys of toying with people's emotions instead of you know, actually giving us a well-written show and the others who are just plain fed-up will be gone.
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Date: 2011-03-20 06:20 am (UTC)I sadly think for the crew and cast, who deserve much better
Yeah, I also feel the same way sometimes, but at the same time I feel horrible for thinking that because you can clearly tell that everyone enjoys working on the show. They are entirely grateful for it and, despite how bad we see the direction the show has gone, the actors and crew members are highly appreciative of their jobs and, for most of them, this is their livelihood, this is what they enjoy doing. So it gives me mixed feelings sometimes when they are having so much fun and I'm bitching/complaining about a show in spite of how it's not being treated well writing/direction-wise.
I don't know, am I the only one who is conflicted on that as well?
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Date: 2011-03-19 06:17 pm (UTC)basically this is me shades on hiding my face acting all Garbo and saying, "No comments." when the poo hits the fan i'll just faint with y'all bitches and wake up ranting.
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Date: 2011-03-20 05:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-19 08:29 pm (UTC)EXACTLY! There is no reason to kill Castiel AGAIN in a finale. That's just silly. And lazy writing. And Kripke isn't that foolish.
I was thinking that Meg might be one of the people killed off. Because honestly, where the hell has she been since 6x10. I don't want it to be Balthazar. It can be anyone but Balthazar (of course, this isn't counting, Dean, Sam, Cas, and Bobby).
As much as I would LOVE to see Misha play bad, I don't think Cas would ever go darkside. Not on his own accord at least. Like he'd be tricked and all that. Because honestly, when has Cas EVER wanted power? He is just doing what he can to make sure there isn't chaos in heaven. And if he did happen to accidentally go darkside, I'd want Dean and Sam want to SAVE him instead of hunt him. Because he would NEVER betray Dean. I don't think he's capable of doing that.
This way, Dean can angst and all that about not being able to save Cas and the boys go all BAMF trying to save a friend. And that way Balthazar is still alive and is helping the boys try to save their beloved Cas.
Cliffhanger... Bobby is evil. Or Balthazar is evil. Or Cas gets pulled into Hell by the Mother. Or Adam returns. Or... Dean and Cas fall into bed
I feel like I wrote a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense. Sorry. *blushes*
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Date: 2011-03-20 04:04 am (UTC)They're more or less becoming South Park in that regard, where Castiel is SPN's Kenny.
Honestly, I still don't understand why Meg is still around. She appeared only once last season, and once this season. I don't understand how she's amounting to anything right now. Granted I know, certain minor characters appear only several times (Gabriel appeared in only four episodes over the span of three seasons) but her involvement in the show is rather sporadic at this point. I can definitely see her biting the dust rather quickly.
As much as I would LOVE to see Misha play bad, I don't think Cas would ever go darkside.
I think that's what many people are confused by, I've seen many comments saying that they would like Castiel to be evil. But what they're actually saying is that they would like Misha to play an evil role on the show, even just for an episode. Which would be an interesting challenge, but for Castiel to turn evil like permanently? I think that's absurd. ITA, Castiel would never betray Dean, and if he got tricked the Winchesters would try to find ways of helping him than opposing him.
This way, Dean can angst and all that about not being able to save Cas and the boys go all BAMF trying to save a friend. And that way Balthazar is still alive and is helping the boys try to save their beloved Cas.
I really like this scenario. :D
Cliffhanger... Bobby is evil. Or Balthazar is evil. Or Cas gets pulled into Hell by the Mother. Or Adam returns. Or... Dean and Cas fall into bed
I feel like I wrote a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense. Sorry. *blushes*
lol, nah it's alright. I think because we're all in the dark + anxieties over what might happen the speculations are endless.
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Date: 2011-03-20 08:29 am (UTC)Kenny = Cas and every other character Misha plays. I remember when they killed Misha in 6x15. I definitely screamed, "OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED MISHA." And a friend definitely screamed, "THOSE BASTARDS." Edlund, you brilliant, brilliant, bastard.
I see Meg's death going like this... She's going to go up against the Mother and be all high and mighty because she's the baddest chick in town. But then the Mother is going to laugh and snap her fingers and ash her. Or Crowley could do it. Who knows...
But what they're actually saying is that they would like Misha to play an evil role on the show, even just for an episode.
I am totally thinking of Alexis Drazen and how Misha played him. How he was a bad dude, but I still felt sympathetic toward him at the end. I figured that if Castiel went bad, Misha would still play him in a way that we would not be able to hate him.
Castiel is too loyal to ever go against Dean. He rebuilt him after raising him from Hell. THEY HAVE A PROFOUND BOND. He would never be able to just turn his back on him. And I'd like to think that Cas is more than just someone they call on when they need help. I really want Dean to say that Cas is family and how they do anything for family.
It's a good scenario. :D
Balthazar is alive which would force him and Dean to have to get along because they both love Castiel too much to let him suffer. And of course, Dean would feel guilty, and Balthazar would tell him to get over himself. And it's a lot better that way.
I think anxiety is the best word to describe it. I think it's because of Sera... GRRR... Can we just put Ben in charge? Please? Or let him take Cas and start the spinoff that would be TOTALLY AWESOME!!! (Sorry, I'm in a Harry Potter mood.)
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Date: 2011-03-20 12:26 pm (UTC)LOL IKR? I TOTALLY DID THAT TOO, I WAS LIKE SAD BUT DAMMIT THIS MAKES FOR GOOD SOUTH PARK JOKES! OH EDLUND, YOU SLAY ME WITH YOUR GENIUS. XD
I see Meg's death going like this... She's going to go up against the Mother and be all high and mighty because she's the baddest chick in town. But then the Mother is going to laugh and snap her fingers and ash her. Or Crowley could do it. Who knows...
I LOVE YOUR BRAIN SFM RIGHT NOW, THIS IS YET ANOTHER PERFECT SCENARIO! ;D Seriously though, either the Mother or Crowley, because he would want to gain revenge on her for thinking she could outsmart him when it's Crowley that outsmarted her. And then poof, she's gone, and we can all rejoice. \O/
I really want Dean to say that Cas is family and how they do anything for family.
THISSSSSSS, OMG. Which is why I will be so sad and pissed if they reject Castiel or something in the end, because they are friends and are considered family with each other. Been through so much, how can you not stand by even during those worst times? I mean, Sam and Dean aren't exactly saints and have done regrettable things themselves, and what Castiel is handling right now isn't any different. They should understand and be there for him when they haven't been most of this season and revisit that notion of "family and friends stick together", right? RIGHT?!
I think anxiety is the best word to describe it. I think it's because of Sera... GRRR... Can we just put Ben in charge? Please? Or let him take Cas and start the spinoff that would be TOTALLY AWESOME!!! (Sorry, I'm in a Harry Potter mood.)
Awww, haha, don't be sorry. Believe me, I understand perfectly what you mean. Having those uplifting thoughts of ideally having Edlund taking control and being all awesome or possibly a spin-off, it leads to such expectations making me feeling like this:
But reality sinks in and I'm all:
Which this is pretty much my entire attitude towards Sera Gamble/this season in general:
SO, YEAH.
I too am very on a HP!high so I expressed my emotions with AVPM gifs, lolno subject
Date: 2011-03-21 02:30 am (UTC)I LOVE YOUR BRAIN SFM RIGHT NOW, THIS IS YET ANOTHER PERFECT SCENARIO! ;D
I try, bb, I try. :) I just have all these ideas and sometimes I want to just ignore what Sera did and rewrite my own 6th season. But that's just so much work. So I have a ton of ideas in my head that would fix what Sera broke.
But seriously, wouldn't that be a sensible way for Meg to go? Because there's no way she could take on Mother. And Crowley would definitely want to slap her in the face for thinking that she was able to get rid of him that easily.
They should understand and be there for him when they haven't been most of this season and revisit that notion of "family and friends stick together", right? RIGHT?!
THIS!!! Cas needs a hug. And it basically seems like when Cas makes one mistake, it's enough to undo the years of help he's dedicated to them. I just want Dean to pull his head out of his ass and realize that Cas makes mistakes. And Cas is more human than he thinks.
We combat our dislike of Sera with thoughts of Ben and Cas and Misha. That's what I've done.
By the way, use of AVPM gifs... WIN!!!
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Date: 2011-03-19 10:25 pm (UTC)I totally agree about them making things BETTER and not WORSE. Because seriously, there's already a rift between them and it's been for nothing, don't justify it by adding something more. :/
PS. SERA GAMBLE WROTE 6X21. Y THO :(
WHUT.
I THOUGHT THAT WASN'T REAL, THAT KRIPKE WROTE THE FINALE AND THAT THE FINALE WAS TWO PARTS, THEREFORE KRIPKE WROTE THE ENTIRE THING. IF THIS IS TRUE I JUST....NO.....FUCK THIS NOISE.
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Date: 2011-03-20 12:22 am (UTC)OH HELL NO. I CANNOT HANDLE MORE OF HER EPIC FAIL. Unless Kripke is all "listen this is how I want it, don't you dare fuck this shit up okay?" otherwise....yeah, cringing at the thought of Gamble handling the first part. CRINGING WITH EMBARRASSMENT AND RAGE.
WHY ARE WE BEING TORTURED LIKE THIS? WHAT DID WE DO TO DESERVE TO HAVE GAMBLE RUIN EVERYTHING?
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Date: 2011-03-20 04:13 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-20 06:29 am (UTC)If Cas turns evil- Show, I am disapoint. I would be pissed off to no end. One thing about Cas that I truly love is above all else, he is good.
If Cas betrays the Winchesters....he can't. Bad writing.
Deaths- my money is on Bobby (unfortunately). There have been some odd tweets from Jim about a new show and how his life can change. The other death, I dunno. Who hasn't died yet? LOL
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Date: 2011-03-20 06:50 am (UTC)That is true regarding Jim's tweets, since he does tease us sometime with what he does post there. However, he did mention in one of them that he worked on two projects at the same time before, so it is possible that he could be trying out for other work while still maintaining his job on SPN. He's still a recurring character, not a series regular, though that still brings up the question on whether this is one of the unexpected deaths we'll be seeing. :( I love Bobby so it's hard to imagine the show without him, same with the show without Castiel.
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Date: 2011-03-21 05:09 pm (UTC)And while I have a ton of trust in Edlund, it's not his call. He has to write his episode in a way that will fit with the ending Gamble & Co. have decided to go with. And Sera is writing Dean's ep of the finale, while Kripke is writing Sam's. (Also, after Swan Song, I don't have high hopes that Kripke will deliver much, especially in regards to Cas. I had more than a few issues with Cas's characterization in that episode).
have you even met his character? He's not the "power-hungry" type at all. Just, yeah.
Heh, I honestly don't think some of these writers remember the characterization journey he has been.