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Day 7 - Your favorite Dean crying scene

Jensen does an incredible job with all his emotional scenes in this show. To be honest he deserves a frakking award for each and every one of them. There's something outstanding the way that he does it, and while some people call it "pretty boy crying" I think it's more than that. It's part of his character personality, the way he restrains himself, he compartmentalizes his emotions and he tries to hold it in until it gradually tears him apart. But he holds it together nonetheless. So really it's the build-up to those moments that really affect me the most about Jensen's performances in these kinds of scenes, because there's a sense of vulnerability that we don't often see with Dean and it really is fantastic to see on the screen.

As for favorite, I think I'm torn between the hospital scene at the end of "OTHOAP" and him revealing what happened to him in Hell at the end of "Heaven and Hell". Both are incredibly effective and there's something about him opening up like that which makes my heart ache.


Day 8 - Your favorite Sam crying scene

None. I find his crying scenes to be mostly ridiculous.

By this I mean that those kinds of scenes aren't his strongest suit in terms of his acting. He's more efficient with giving sad!face and puppy!eyes than emotional crying scenes, because otherwise it looks incredibly forced and overacted on his part. I mean that scene with him in "Heart" is a prime example of that. I was kind of embarrassed for him since that really was kind of a laughable scene, to be honest with you. It looked more along the lines of this:



I mean, it's like someone literally drenched his face in that scene, and I know some will argue that crying irl is never pretty and it's more "realistic" that way, and that's fine if they think so and are affected by it. I'm just not. It's better to downplay those scenes and have him just be sad in a subtle manner rather than shedding the tears. Leave those scenes to Jensen, please.


Rest of the 30 Days of Supernatural Challenge.

There's this talk about SPN getting a seventh season, and while I'm still on the DO NOT WANT bandwagon, I have been rethinking certain options.

Most shows that are extended longer than originally planned go through horrible seasons at some point or another, it's just inevitable. I hated the thought of extending to a sixth season and a seventh season is rather pointless considering how I think the story should have ended after season five because really, what else is there after a biblical apocalypse? However, I've thought about how having the show canceled after this poorly handled season would be kind of bad, and kind of an embarrassment overall. If the show needs to go out with a bang this is definitely not the season to do it seeing how it's failing left and right. So I'll accept them having a seventh season ONLY IF they get rid of Sera Gamble as showrunner and writer, just off the show for good plz, bring back Jeremy Carver and have him and/or Ben Edlund take over if Kripke isn't going to return, and have yet another apocalyptic arc/or something similar to finish off the entire story so we can have that explosive bang like Kripke had originally wanted for his show to have, and to have it be for real this time, not just some anticlimactic nonsense they pulled last season.

If certain shows could rise from the ashes of being a disappointment in the end, there may be a chance to save this one before it runs itself further into the ground. If done right, of course. Just putting it out there, is all.

Date: 2011-01-19 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carlyinrome.livejournal.com

I don't watch Supernatural, but I do agree that the world would be a better place if Ben Edlund had his own show.

Date: 2011-01-19 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I absolutely agree. He is just amazing. ♥

Date: 2011-01-19 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epicycles.livejournal.com
Ben Edlund did have his own show! Ever seen the Tick? AMAZING. :D

Date: 2011-01-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alanna-zero.livejournal.com
What would a seventh season even be ABOUT? I mean, yeah somehow it would suck for the show to go out like this, but then again, I don't see how a seventh season would made things any better. Maybe if they - like you suggested - change some of the writers etc., but even then...IDK.

Date: 2011-01-19 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I'm not entirely sure myself, to be honest with you. There seems to be no definite plan plot-wise, because this season has been all over the place I'm not entirely sure what the seasonal arc is about. The only relevant things are purgatory/Heaven's civil war, but as a whole I'm not entirely sure how this fits into the grander scheme of what the show has been mainly about. So, yeah, idk either. :/

Date: 2011-01-19 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alanna-zero.livejournal.com
See and when I look at it like that I'd rather they get ~~shit done for the rest of the season and then end it, instead of the show becoming the next One Tree Hill - constantly being renewed because of supposedly good ratings or whatever.

Date: 2011-01-20 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Or Smallville, for that matter. Actors left that show because they were getting tired of what they had their characters do or directions they were going in, and when that happens? You know shit ain't right. I thought Kripke wanted to NOT go in that direction, but with adding S6 and a possible S7 on the table it looks like they're going back on that.

It's even worse knowing that he's no longer taking part in anything anymore (I think? Is Kripke no longer in the process of his own show? I can't tell because he's not doing interviews and I heard he's doing a movie separate from SPNverse so, idk).

Date: 2011-01-19 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexwhitman25.livejournal.com
I just don't see the show improving with another season. It's like they have nowhere left to go (except continual rehashes) and that is part of the problem with this season. Too many of the longtime writers have moved on and the new writers are just plopping stuff out there. I don't see Carver returning with his heavy involvement in Being Human (and while part of me is sad about that, part of me is happy for him). And honestly Show has been going downhill for awhile now. I mean last season was it's own version of a clusterfuck and wasted potential.

Eh, I should just hush my mouth. I think I'm at all new levels of MEHNESS with SPN. Even reading the new spoilers hasn't helped. Some of the things leaked sound promising, but I don't have high hopes for the execution of them.

Date: 2011-01-20 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I'm feeling the same way. The show has been gradually going downhill since the latter half of last season and it would take a miracle to bring it up from being a complete disaster. It's unfortunate, because they had great things going for it until they fucked it up.

Also reading the spoilers and some things do look promising, but it all depends on how it's handled and knowing this show that can depend on the writers and direction. It's sad that we have to rely on specific people to do the show justice and not trusting them as an ensemble team. :(

Date: 2011-01-20 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexwhitman25.livejournal.com
I've decided the only thing that could get me excited for a S7 is if Adam comes back as the Big Bad, out to get the Winchesters for their uncaring asshatery. And I would be Team Adam. It would be amazing!

Date: 2011-01-19 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
Ben Edlund should just take over the world and everything would be aww-right.

I don't really want a seventh season and although I've mostly liked this season (and from the spoilers I'd say the second half of this season is gonna be better than the first half- ALSO, GET RID OF MEG. RIGHT NOW!) I just fear I'll stop liking it for good. DNW that thought. Jeremy Carver should just come back :C

Date: 2011-01-19 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
because I can't edit my comments, I'll just put this here.. honestly, as said before, what would the seventh season even be about? Since it seems like they're gonna delve into the Purgatory/Heavenly Civil War-storyline for the rest of this season, I have no idea what they could think of next.

Date: 2011-01-20 08:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Seriously though, I don't think anything could have topped the apocalypse arc because that was wrapping up everything we'd learned over the course of the previous seasons. If anything they should have extended the apocalyptic plot into the sixth season while revealing the purgatory/civil war aspect, leaving out all the other stuff.

Basically, I can't think of what they could possibly do for a seventh season. I feel like they're just going to have it for the sake of ratings/money because the network doesn't want to cancel another one of their longer-running shows. :/

Date: 2011-01-20 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
Exactly! It was one of those things that had been foreshadowed since season 1 and I just can't think of anything that could top that.

That's what I fear. As much as I like seeing them running around on the screen, I just don't want it to happen for all the wrong reasons. I love this show too much for that.

Date: 2011-01-20 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
It feels like this season is just here for the "just because" and not to further any kind of storyline or plot. With the majority of the episodes this season, it's been all filler and nothing amounting to anything. That might be later in the second half but, honestly, was this first half really necessary?

Exactly how I feel too, bb. I respect them too much to see them getting mistreated like this just for ratings.

Date: 2011-01-20 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's the feeling I get too. There are interesting storylines (like the Purgatory or the angelic civil war or even Sam's soul- I'm glad they're not extending that, it would have gotten very boring very quickly), but too many filler-episodes so this season feels too all over the place even for me. It doesn't feel like this season has even started properly.

Date: 2011-01-20 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
It doesn't feel like this season has even started properly.

That premiere alone was clear indication of it. Had there been better execution of the construction of the seasonal arc and the handling of things, assuming there is a particular arc direction in mind, then things wouldn't be this disorganized. But it is, and I'm not entirely sure who is at fault of this.

Date: 2011-01-20 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
He really should, he's just that awesome and I have complete faith in him for doing right in my fandoms. ♥

If they still have Gamble in charge and doing the same bullshit they've one this season I'm fearing the same thing. D: Do not want anymore fuckups, at least with Edlund and Carver being on the forefront of the show I wouldn't be this worried or fearsome of the future of the show, or how it'll end. Or fearing that there won't be an end. D: D: D:

Date: 2011-01-20 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
It shows that about 99% of his episodes have been my favourites- even during this season. When someone else, like a very new writer (or Sera, eheh) is handling the episode, it's usually shitty. And you know how easy I am to please.

I don't think Carver's coming back, but at least let Edlund do his thing, because he is the best thing this show has. Or let Kripke write more episodes, I'd rather have him (or well, anyone else than Sera or one of the newest writers) do episodes. Season six has had way more ups and downs for me than any other season before. I sincerely hope it will only get better from now on and from the looks of it, it'll be good.

ps. Aw, you don't like Jared's crying? :D :D He always looks like a little boy when he cries. The only moment I can think of I liked his crying was in No Rest For The Wicked. I'm glad he's gotten a whole lot better in acting though! I like him better as a person than Jensen, but I still find Jensen to be the better actor. Lately, they've been both awesome though. /cool story bro

Date: 2011-01-20 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Edlund is the only writer on the show that I trust, and that's kind of sad to even say, but it's the truth. Certain writers can be a hit or a miss, and sometimes just an entire mess altogether.

Has Kripke been involved at all with this season? It feels like he just up and abandoned the show. :/

Season six has had way more ups and downs for me than any other season before. I sincerely hope it will only get better from now on and from the looks of it, it'll be good.

It depends on how the concepts of the episodes as revealed via spoilers are dealt with, because as I said there are certain writers that can handle things and certain ones that cannot. The latter is the majority of the writing team, unfortunately. :( We should just let Ben Edlund write them all, that would be awesomesauce. ;)

lol, Jared's attempt at crying either makes me laugh or cringe. It's just not his strongest aspect in acting, sry2say. It's better when it's more subtle and downplayed.

Date: 2011-01-20 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
Exactly.

He has, but more on the sidelines. I think he hasn't even written anything, which is sad. I liked some of his episodes- and he obviously cares for the characters, unlike certain people. >__>

Yeah, I certainly hope there will be more hits than misses in the latter half of this season. The episodes do sound good, but it really depends on who writes it and how it's handled and all. Like the meta-episode for example. I love the meta-episodes but if it's some no-name writer writing it, it will probably be just a confusing mess instead of the hilarious stuff it can be. Ben Edlund should just write everything ever. He's so perfect at knitting together comedy and angst and horror :D

It's definitely not. That's why I'll like Jensen's crying scenes better, because he's more subtle in them. (And he cries so prettily.)

Date: 2011-01-20 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
I just wished he was actively having more say in things, like I get irritated whenever there's an interview with Sera because I'm like "this is Kripke's show, not yours, gtfo!" I would take things more seriously, or less anger-induced, if he has something to say for once, you know?

Ben Edlund should just write everything ever. He's so perfect at knitting together comedy and angst and horror :D

Major word to this, and don't forget understanding characterization and interactive scenes. He knows the chemistry of characters incredibly well. Just, leave SPN to him and all will be well, is all I'm saying. ;)

Date: 2011-01-20 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allodole.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm the same. I know he wants to have something else in his life than just Supernatural but still, it grates me because it has always been his creation above all else.

Exactly. :D

Date: 2011-01-19 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
They'd have to really get their shit together to go out with a bang. Most of the time, IMO, once a show sucks changes like SPN has done, it never recovers.
Edited Date: 2011-01-19 08:34 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-01-20 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
This is true, it would take a lot to repair the damage this show has already done and recover from the clusterfuck this season has brought us. Again, they have great ideas but they are poorly executed and not well-thought out at all. :/

It could have the luck of BTVS, since IMO I thought the series ended nicely with the seventh season, since S6 sucked so hard. It might be explosive but it can definitely be great in concluding everything on a grander scale, something that last season should have had but didn't.

Date: 2011-01-20 08:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverusagi
I hated Buffy S7, LOL.

Date: 2011-01-20 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Awww, really? I loved it, personally. I thought adding in the mytharc with The First Evil (plus the Bringers and the Uber Vamps) and the Potentials was a great way of really kind of putting the show back on track as opposed to what the sixth season had been. I don't understand the hate for it, but whatever. I loved it. :)

Date: 2011-01-19 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epicycles.livejournal.com
Carver Edlund season = DO WANT YES PLEASE. :D I have had the biggest career envy for Ben Edlund -- he's truly a talented guy and that talent's shown up on a lot of great shows. He invented the Tick and ran both of the shows, he gave the world Bad Horse and Jaynestown, he writes Cas better than anyone else... And Jeremy Carver provides my Gabriel fix and a steady supply of awesome. Can there be cons where the writers show up? Because I want to fangirl at them. :D

So if they did a seventh season, that might be okay. If anything, I think they'd step away from the obsessive All About the Winchesters focus that stifles the show (IMHO.) It's a big universe to play in and I think they coudl do something amazing if they let the show expand a little bit beyond the circle of SamnDean.

(Also I TOTALLY AGREE re: crying scenes. Jensen = amazing, Jared = DNW. I haven't even seen Heart because I don't want to see him snivel. The gifs of that are more than enough for me.)

Date: 2011-01-20 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Can there be cons where the writers show up? Because I want to fangirl at them. :D

OH GOD YES, THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. I think there needs to be a convention or just panels for the writers/producers of the show because what better opportunity to ask all these burning questions that we fans have that the actors cannot answer? Edlund and Carver would be perfect because I want to know their process of writing and understanding the story, whereas the the others I would want to know why they aren't doing the same thing. ;p

I know that Creation did have Jane Espenson and Tim Minear for one of the Whedon panels a little while ago, and they discussed writing at length it was just amazing listening to them talk. It would be great if they got more for other cons/panels.

It's a big universe to play in and I think they coudl do something amazing if they let the show expand a little bit beyond the circle of SamnDean.

Exactly. There are so many opportunities that have been missed because we keep going back to the Winchester angstfest and, while yes their story is what is the centerfold of the show, it's not all what there is and with everything they've done it's like we've covered pretty much everything already. They need to move on from repeating the same-old schtick with them and focus on something grander. Which I had thought was what the apocalypse was about, you know? Something they were both tied to but on a grander scale than they ever anticipated. Unfortunately they ended it lamely which brings us to whatever this season contains.

I haven't even seen Heart because I don't want to see him snivel. The gifs of that are more than enough for me.

lol it really is that horrible. I get he's sad but, wtf with the over-dramatic sniveling? lol forever. The only worthy scene of that horrid episode was Jensen's manly tear at the very very end of that episode before the credits roll. That's the only exciting thing. Heh.
Edited Date: 2011-01-20 08:34 am (UTC)
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Date: 2011-01-20 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
LOL IKR? LEARN 2 CREY SAMMY. XD

Seriously though, the fact that this season is rather dismissive of giving us anything of stability with this seasonal arc that I'm not entirely sure what a possible seventh season might be about. However I'm reminded of BTVS, because the sixth season pretty much sucked, but the seventh season kind of picked up and really kind of gave more of a mytharc mystery that tied things together. So I'm hoping SPN goes in that route, at least giving us something. But I would rather them having a plan than just continuing on like it appears they are doing.

SUPERNATURAL: THE BEN EDLUND AND JEREMY CARVER SHOW. THIS IS MY DREAM THAT I WANT TO COME TRUE, PLZ. *prays*
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Date: 2011-01-20 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Yeah, I can definitely see that happening because really, what have we accomplished this season so far? The only thing is getting Sam's soul back but that was like long overdue, and they hardly handled that seriously enough to make it seem like they cared so, yeah. We just have some information regarding purgatory and Heaven's civil war but, other than that? Nada. And what happens with the alphas now, or how Creepy Grandpa Samuel fits in? I just don't understand this season at all.
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Date: 2011-01-20 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
Okay, and can I also just say I have like NO memory of anything regarding this season as well?

Don't worry bb, neither do I. This season has been so horribly bad at staying on track and so inconsistent that it's just ridiculous. There's no direction whatsoever. It's like they don't want us to care about these things.

And this is one of the (many) reasons why Sera Gamble needs to fucking leave the show. I'm serious, she simply cannot handle constructing a seasonal arc let alone keeping everything in check.

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