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rogueslayer452Supernatural 6.09 "Clap Your Hands If You Believe"
The Winchesters are investigating a case of disappearances in an area where locals are claiming that it's aliens, while a random few believe it's actually fairies. This gets ignored by the brothers until Dean suddenly gets abducted while investigating a crop field where the latest victim was last seen. He gets returned hours later, to an emotionally insensitive soulless!brother who he has to school about ~empathy~ on which, yeah, doesn't go anywhere. Dean then starts seeing people that Sam cannot see, and encountersSookie Stackhouse a blinding floating ball of light that's actually a fairy. They investigate further, Dean unfortunately gets carded to jail after attacking someone he thought was a fairy, but Sam ends up encountering a gnome who ran the entire show and after fighting, Sam says a spell that breaks the deal.
Mostly this was a filler episode that mainly dealt with fairies and discussions of Sam's lack of a soul, and of course him not wanting it back.
The Mythology of Supernatural: Fairies, Gnomes and Other Dimensions
I found the episode dealings with fairies....interesting, to say the least. This season is about bringing in unknown or rather peculiar creatures to the surface, some from other countries and some that were hidden until just recently, and mostly due to the Alpha business. While this wasn't part of anything Alpha-related, it was amusing. Though it makes me question why the subject of fairies was brought up in the mythology in the first place, and why it was dealt with the way it was.
Initially when I heard they were doing an episode featuring fairies my thoughts went directly to all sorts of lore, particularly of the religious kind. There are religious folklore that consider fairies to be fallen angels, the angels that after the War in Heaven they were caught between Heaven and Hell and weren't allowed in either, so they became fairies. I would have figured that, since they covered the cherub part of angel theology and made it work (hierarchy-wise at least), they could also partake in adding in the fairy bits too. Which is something I'd wished Castiel had been part of this episode because he would be able to explain to Sam and Dean to true nature of fairies being angels. Also, considering this is Supernatural and they have been dealing with the Heaven vs Hell aspect for nearly two and a half seasons, I figured they would add that into the mixture. But of course, because this is Supernatural I shouldn't get my hopes up on them expanding anymore of that mythology, at least in an interesting way. Instead we get the same-old bargaining/sacrificing trope this show loves to pull time and again, only this time just for the lulz.
I'm not say that it wasn't amusing, but I felt like they could have done more than just simply handwave it to be something out from a spellbook and all you gotta do is reverse it with another spell. Oh, and pouring salt on the ground. Like seriously? That's it? The boys have always used salt, they're hunters, they could have just dumped it right from the start and that would have been that. I don't know, I just feel like there could have been more substance with it.
But asking for more substance or an elaboration on something is like asking too much from this show, it seems.
Sam Winchester: Without A Soul, Without Empathy
Let's rehash this once again: Sam has no soul, Sam doesn't feel anything, Sam doesn't know how to act like a rational, subtle human being with emotions. Dean tries to explain it to him however it doesn't get through. Sam is thinking about not wanting his soul at all if it means he's going to ~suffer~ and stuff.
Did I miss anything?
Okay show, we get it. Sam has no soul and has absolutely no filter whatsoever, he lacks any kind of empathy. While it was interesting seeing Dean trying to teach him about how to care or at least pretend to care while in public, I didn't feel like it was necessary for Dean to even mention anything because this Sam kind of knows that he's not all right and he knows that he cannot feel, he simply doesn't care about anything even his own brother, he said so in the previous episode. It shouldn't come as a surprise to either of them by now with the way he acts, even if it might be frustrating. Granted Dean could teach Sam how to be like Dexter, pretending to be normal like everyone else around him, try to act sympathetic and at least resembling something of humanity. But I don't think this Sam kind of approves of wanting that change, hence him really not caring about getting his soul back because he likes not caring, he likes not having all that excess emotional baggage holding him down.
After reading some upcoming spoilers I know where they're going with this so, if anything this episode was more validation of that.
Memorable Moments of the Episode:
++ Paying homage to X-Files in the opening credits, I give it an A- because they included showing Misha/Castiel but he wasn't in the episode. Boo, mislead. ;___;
While I understand Misha is a regular so it would be mandatory for his name to appear regardless, if anyone's been paying attention this season his name only appears right alongside Jared and Jensen's in the opening credits when he appears in an episode. When he isn't, his name doesn't show up. This is why people were confused because, if anything, showing his name along with his image gave us false hope that he would at least appear once. Same with the misleading of Gabriel, because this is totally his territory.
++ DNW LISA IN THE PREVIOUSLIES, GTFO NOBODY CARES FOR YOU ANYMORE! God! How long are they gonna rehash this? IT'S OVER MOVE THE FUCK ON! /pissedoffface.gif
++ Dean getting all "dude wtf?" when Sam is being openly sarcastic, and Sam is all "y u mad tho?" is major lulz. XD
"Yeah, I don’t wanna know you definition of fine."
++ The fact that Dean has to explain things to Sam like he's teaching a sociopath the right of living amongst other people is kind of disturbing if slightly amusing because of Sam just being nonchalant of his brash, rude and inconsiderate behavior and not really getting it. I loved the witter banter between them in this episode though. Like I said, when there's a Ben Edlund episode there's bound to be amazing dialogue and interactions. And this episode had both, and it was glorious and amusing.
++ Dean shouting out "Close Encounter! Close Encounter!" while running frantically through the corn field had me laughing so hard! It's the same when Sam went to the UFO sighting ground and they were playing the Close Encounters of the Third Kind music, lol!
++ SOULLESS!SAM CONTINUES TO AMUSE ME WITH HIS COMMENTS, JUST SAYING:
++ Walking in on your soulless!brother having sex (the girl on top no less) = awkward.... Loved this tough:
Who knew Dean knew such big words? ;p
++ ALLUDING THAT DEAN PROBABLY GOT ANAL PROBED BY THE FAIRIES = MAJOR LULZ.
++ Dude, when Sam was trying to "console" Dean about his issues with him being abducted and everything, did he just awkwardly place his hand on his brother's knee? And Dean is all freaked out because he's like "WTF BRO? DNW DNW DNW!" I know Wincesters were rejoicing at that, but it was just plain awkward. Sam is kind of a creeper when he's trying to be ~~nice~~ -- soulless!Sam should remain snarky and apathetic, perhaps with just a little interest in what's happening but he just looks like such a CREEPER when he tries to be all nice and shit. Or is that just me?
++ The fairy beating Dean up and him roasting her in the microwave was priceless. Of course even more priceless was Dean flailing at explaining it to Sam, and probably realizing just how insane he must sound even to himself. Although I'm loling at the fact that Dean actually got so close to the fairy to tell that it was tiny little women with nipples, lol. Just him retelling that part made me go, "oh Dean" like the old days. XD
++ Sam must have thought Dean was going cuckoo for Coco Puffs when he was saying strange things like seeing people that weren't there, lol.
++ Dean mentioned Smurfs! Hehe.
++ So basically, gnomes make the deals while the sacrificing/disappearing of people (firstborns specifically) were the price? I only watched the episode once and I might have missed something, so cream is what gets them drunk and salt is what distracts them? Seems relatively easy, just with the lulz of the situation of Dean getting abducted, possibly probed and just acting like he's seeing shit everywhere and getting freaked out. Him getting hauled into a police car and being lectured about accepting gays (with the misinterpretation of him saying "fairies") was kind of priceless to witness.
++ I appreciated the ending scene though, they really hadn't done the brotherly-having-a-beer-on-the-side-of-the-road bonding in a long while. Despite Sam not really being himself, soulless and all, just having a scene with them sitting on the Impala sharing a cold one together brings back what could be. ALSO YAY FOR NO MORE ABRUPT ENDINGS!!! \O/
Overall: Yet another filler episode, but it was amusing at had plenty of nice things to offer. Quick, witty banter between the brothers and excellent unabashed sarcastic comments by soulless!Sam, Dean freaking out and getting beat up/probed by fairies, watch workshop repairman that needed fairies to do his dirty work that Gabriel Gray is probably shaking his head at because seriously? Lazy much? Oh, and talking about how to pretend to be human when someone you know is soulless. While there were things I wished happened in this episode that didn't, as I already mentioned above, it was a lighthearted episode that I enjoyed because of he writing aspect. It amused me greatly. Which duh, of course it would, it was written by Ben Edlund and he is practically the master at creating lulzy situations like this. Heh.
The Winchesters are investigating a case of disappearances in an area where locals are claiming that it's aliens, while a random few believe it's actually fairies. This gets ignored by the brothers until Dean suddenly gets abducted while investigating a crop field where the latest victim was last seen. He gets returned hours later, to an emotionally insensitive soulless!brother who he has to school about ~empathy~ on which, yeah, doesn't go anywhere. Dean then starts seeing people that Sam cannot see, and encounters
Mostly this was a filler episode that mainly dealt with fairies and discussions of Sam's lack of a soul, and of course him not wanting it back.
The Mythology of Supernatural: Fairies, Gnomes and Other Dimensions
I found the episode dealings with fairies....interesting, to say the least. This season is about bringing in unknown or rather peculiar creatures to the surface, some from other countries and some that were hidden until just recently, and mostly due to the Alpha business. While this wasn't part of anything Alpha-related, it was amusing. Though it makes me question why the subject of fairies was brought up in the mythology in the first place, and why it was dealt with the way it was.
Initially when I heard they were doing an episode featuring fairies my thoughts went directly to all sorts of lore, particularly of the religious kind. There are religious folklore that consider fairies to be fallen angels, the angels that after the War in Heaven they were caught between Heaven and Hell and weren't allowed in either, so they became fairies. I would have figured that, since they covered the cherub part of angel theology and made it work (hierarchy-wise at least), they could also partake in adding in the fairy bits too. Which is something I'd wished Castiel had been part of this episode because he would be able to explain to Sam and Dean to true nature of fairies being angels. Also, considering this is Supernatural and they have been dealing with the Heaven vs Hell aspect for nearly two and a half seasons, I figured they would add that into the mixture. But of course, because this is Supernatural I shouldn't get my hopes up on them expanding anymore of that mythology, at least in an interesting way. Instead we get the same-old bargaining/sacrificing trope this show loves to pull time and again, only this time just for the lulz.
I'm not say that it wasn't amusing, but I felt like they could have done more than just simply handwave it to be something out from a spellbook and all you gotta do is reverse it with another spell. Oh, and pouring salt on the ground. Like seriously? That's it? The boys have always used salt, they're hunters, they could have just dumped it right from the start and that would have been that. I don't know, I just feel like there could have been more substance with it.
But asking for more substance or an elaboration on something is like asking too much from this show, it seems.
Sam Winchester: Without A Soul, Without Empathy
Let's rehash this once again: Sam has no soul, Sam doesn't feel anything, Sam doesn't know how to act like a rational, subtle human being with emotions. Dean tries to explain it to him however it doesn't get through. Sam is thinking about not wanting his soul at all if it means he's going to ~suffer~ and stuff.
Did I miss anything?
Okay show, we get it. Sam has no soul and has absolutely no filter whatsoever, he lacks any kind of empathy. While it was interesting seeing Dean trying to teach him about how to care or at least pretend to care while in public, I didn't feel like it was necessary for Dean to even mention anything because this Sam kind of knows that he's not all right and he knows that he cannot feel, he simply doesn't care about anything even his own brother, he said so in the previous episode. It shouldn't come as a surprise to either of them by now with the way he acts, even if it might be frustrating. Granted Dean could teach Sam how to be like Dexter, pretending to be normal like everyone else around him, try to act sympathetic and at least resembling something of humanity. But I don't think this Sam kind of approves of wanting that change, hence him really not caring about getting his soul back because he likes not caring, he likes not having all that excess emotional baggage holding him down.
After reading some upcoming spoilers I know where they're going with this so, if anything this episode was more validation of that.
Memorable Moments of the Episode:
++ Paying homage to X-Files in the opening credits, I give it an A- because they included showing Misha/Castiel but he wasn't in the episode. Boo, mislead. ;___;
While I understand Misha is a regular so it would be mandatory for his name to appear regardless, if anyone's been paying attention this season his name only appears right alongside Jared and Jensen's in the opening credits when he appears in an episode. When he isn't, his name doesn't show up. This is why people were confused because, if anything, showing his name along with his image gave us false hope that he would at least appear once. Same with the misleading of Gabriel, because this is totally his territory.
++ DNW LISA IN THE PREVIOUSLIES, GTFO NOBODY CARES FOR YOU ANYMORE! God! How long are they gonna rehash this? IT'S OVER MOVE THE FUCK ON! /pissedoffface.gif
++ Dean getting all "dude wtf?" when Sam is being openly sarcastic, and Sam is all "y u mad tho?" is major lulz. XD
"Yeah, I don’t wanna know you definition of fine."
++ The fact that Dean has to explain things to Sam like he's teaching a sociopath the right of living amongst other people is kind of disturbing if slightly amusing because of Sam just being nonchalant of his brash, rude and inconsiderate behavior and not really getting it. I loved the witter banter between them in this episode though. Like I said, when there's a Ben Edlund episode there's bound to be amazing dialogue and interactions. And this episode had both, and it was glorious and amusing.
++ Dean shouting out "Close Encounter! Close Encounter!" while running frantically through the corn field had me laughing so hard! It's the same when Sam went to the UFO sighting ground and they were playing the Close Encounters of the Third Kind music, lol!
++ SOULLESS!SAM CONTINUES TO AMUSE ME WITH HIS COMMENTS, JUST SAYING:
++ Walking in on your soulless!brother having sex (the girl on top no less) = awkward.... Loved this tough:
Who knew Dean knew such big words? ;p
++ ALLUDING THAT DEAN PROBABLY GOT ANAL PROBED BY THE FAIRIES = MAJOR LULZ.
++ Dude, when Sam was trying to "console" Dean about his issues with him being abducted and everything, did he just awkwardly place his hand on his brother's knee? And Dean is all freaked out because he's like "WTF BRO? DNW DNW DNW!" I know Wincesters were rejoicing at that, but it was just plain awkward. Sam is kind of a creeper when he's trying to be ~~nice~~ -- soulless!Sam should remain snarky and apathetic, perhaps with just a little interest in what's happening but he just looks like such a CREEPER when he tries to be all nice and shit. Or is that just me?
++ The fairy beating Dean up and him roasting her in the microwave was priceless. Of course even more priceless was Dean flailing at explaining it to Sam, and probably realizing just how insane he must sound even to himself. Although I'm loling at the fact that Dean actually got so close to the fairy to tell that it was tiny little women with nipples, lol. Just him retelling that part made me go, "oh Dean" like the old days. XD
++ Sam must have thought Dean was going cuckoo for Coco Puffs when he was saying strange things like seeing people that weren't there, lol.
++ Dean mentioned Smurfs! Hehe.
++ So basically, gnomes make the deals while the sacrificing/disappearing of people (firstborns specifically) were the price? I only watched the episode once and I might have missed something, so cream is what gets them drunk and salt is what distracts them? Seems relatively easy, just with the lulz of the situation of Dean getting abducted, possibly probed and just acting like he's seeing shit everywhere and getting freaked out. Him getting hauled into a police car and being lectured about accepting gays (with the misinterpretation of him saying "fairies") was kind of priceless to witness.
++ I appreciated the ending scene though, they really hadn't done the brotherly-having-a-beer-on-the-side-of-the-road bonding in a long while. Despite Sam not really being himself, soulless and all, just having a scene with them sitting on the Impala sharing a cold one together brings back what could be. ALSO YAY FOR NO MORE ABRUPT ENDINGS!!! \O/
Overall: Yet another filler episode, but it was amusing at had plenty of nice things to offer. Quick, witty banter between the brothers and excellent unabashed sarcastic comments by soulless!Sam, Dean freaking out and getting beat up/probed by fairies, watch workshop repairman that needed fairies to do his dirty work that Gabriel Gray is probably shaking his head at because seriously? Lazy much? Oh, and talking about how to pretend to be human when someone you know is soulless. While there were things I wished happened in this episode that didn't, as I already mentioned above, it was a lighthearted episode that I enjoyed because of he writing aspect. It amused me greatly. Which duh, of course it would, it was written by Ben Edlund and he is practically the master at creating lulzy situations like this. Heh.
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Date: 2010-11-20 04:45 pm (UTC)Ben Edlund ♥ Just.. Ben Edlund.
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Date: 2010-11-20 05:23 pm (UTC)You can really tell that Jared is having fun playing it up, all his scenes with him just being brash without thinking of the consequences and just saying what's on his mind are hilarious. And yeah, he does nice-but-creepy really well, almost too well. It was almost squirky at times the way Sam tries too hard to show empathy. Which naturally would freak anyone out, lol.
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Date: 2010-11-20 05:26 pm (UTC)Indeed you can! Jared's been amazing this season. Both him and Jensen are fit for comedy as well as pure man-pain. ♥
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Date: 2010-11-20 10:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-20 05:39 pm (UTC)I like that theory. Even Dean said in season four that he wished he couldn't feel.
'God! How long are they gonna rehash this? IT'S OVER MOVE THE FUCK ON! /pissedoffface.gif'
My guess, they're going to drag Dean's man!pain over Lisa out through out the entire season. I wouldn't have a problem with that, except the writers never showed that relationship (or even why Lisa would let a man like Dean back in her life) and didn't EARN Dean's man!pain.
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Date: 2010-11-20 07:27 pm (UTC)That's precisely the example I had in mind, because knowing these brothers whenever they get hurt or going through something they don't handle it very well. It's an ongoing cycle with them and I remember Dean saying he didn't want to feel anything at all, and even though it might not have been Sam's original request to not feel with whatever happened during the extraction, perhaps with all the memories he has he prefers it better this way.
My guess, they're going to drag Dean's man!pain over Lisa out through out the entire season. I wouldn't have a problem with that, except the writers never showed that relationship (or even why Lisa would let a man like Dean back in her life) and didn't EARN Dean's man!pain.
Yeah. Had they actually shown any kind of, you know, "relationship" between them and represented Lisa as an actual person rather than a prop only used for Dean's storyline, but unfortunately with this show progressing female characters like that is next to impossible. We've had enough show, just leave it be and never bring her back because how pointless/useless would that be?
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Date: 2010-11-22 03:27 pm (UTC)This. I heard a rumor that in one of the up coming episodes we're supposed to get Dean/Lisa flashback(s) but even if the writers do REALLY flesh out that relationship (I'll believe it when I see it) I think it's much too little, much too late. If they wanted us to believe that Dean is still angsting about Gumble Girl and her kid they should have shown something of that relationship from the beginning; I get that the show is about Sam and Dean hunting, but I couple of Dean/Lisa scenes would have made that relationship much more believable. that being said, I'm not holding out any hope of Lisa being anything more than a prop in the flashbacks either.
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Date: 2010-11-22 04:33 pm (UTC)Sera Gamble, why are you so much fail? Seriously. Enough with the soap opera melodramatic bullshit, that shit is not cute and it's not our show. Just stop it. >:|
Remember when Dean Winchester actually had a substantial storyline? Those were the days....
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Date: 2010-11-22 06:17 pm (UTC)True. I really want to tell Sera that badly written angst does not equal a storyline.
'Remember when Dean Winchester actually had a substantial storyline? Those were the days....'
As much as I hated season five, at least it give Dean something to do.
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Date: 2010-11-22 06:35 pm (UTC)Let it die, please. We just don't give a rat's ass about Lisa or Ben or anything related to that.
Season four and season five really gave Dean purpose, a storyline of his own that was exciting and new and different. I only wished the writers didn't chicken out of following through with it because I felt it was right for his character. Not what they decided to turn him into now this season. :(
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Date: 2010-11-22 06:44 pm (UTC)Exactly. I might have been able to forgive them for shoehorning Lisa into season five if they had shown ANY of it in season six, but at this point a Dean/Lisa flashback feels like a desperate attempt to make us care about a relationship that they didn't bother doing anything with in the first place. I heard someone handwave away Dean's angst by saying that his relationship with Lisa was the longest one he ever had, so of course he would be able to move on and all I could think was, 'Great, can you point me to the episodes that showed that relationship?'
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Date: 2010-11-22 06:56 pm (UTC)The thing I'm interested in this argument is that, while I can understand that's what it's meant to represent, the fact they never explored or gave us anything about Lisa and her life outside of Dean or anything about them being together. We only got that Dean went there based on a promise, based on his abandonment issues, and it was all centered around a huge fat lie to himself and how completely unfair it was to her and Ben. And really, I'm thoroughly convinced that while he cares about them, he doesn't love them and there certainly shouldn't be any ties or obligations to them because there's no connection. Dean needs to get his priorities straightened, as does Lisa if they are even DARING to accept him back into her life (which would be the biggest mistake next to her "greatest year of my life" bullshit line).
Case in point: that's a weak argument to make when there hasn't been anything shown to suggest it. Having a horrendously weak-ass premiere and little character development or anything resembling that we should care about the Lisa arrangement shouldn't make us accept it as such.
In my opinion, there was nothing real about that relationship, if you could ever call it a relationship in the first place since I'm convinced it was more of Lisa letting Dean in just to care for her son, despite that he's not exactly role model material because of his emotional baggage and fucked up psychological issues. Surely Dean probably wanted stability, but again he admitted that it was all based around a lie, a falsehood. Something that isn't who he is. That is not our Dean Winchester.
....and I'm going all over the place with this. I just completely loathe the entire storyline of this, as I've mentioned before, and I can rant about this forever. Lisa should just go away and stay away.
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Date: 2010-11-22 08:34 pm (UTC)True, but how much you want to bet that Lisa waiting for a year for Dean (and than taking him back) is something Sera finds romantic?
'In my opinion, there was nothing real about that relationship, if you could ever call it a relationship in the first place since I'm convinced it was more of Lisa letting Dean in just to care for her son, despite that he's not exactly role model material because of his emotional baggage and fucked up psychological issues.'
True. I have wonder why Lisa would even want a guy like Dean to be a father figure; did she date nothing but real jerks before Dean came along?
'Surely Dean probably wanted stability, but again he admitted that it was all based around a lie, a falsehood. Something that isn't who he is. That is not our Dean Winchester.'
True. You could even make the argument that Dean's inability to let Ben and Lisa go stem from his (I'll never leave you) abandonment issues. For all we know Dean was attracted to Lisa and Ben and that whole life because Lisa reminded him of Mary.
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Date: 2010-11-27 03:13 am (UTC)Yeah, like before he went to her house in 5.17...
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Date: 2010-11-20 07:00 pm (UTC)Also, yeah thanks Sera for your fade to black shit taking a break for a while. PLZ TO BE THANKING YOU FOR STOPPING NOW. We got it.
Soulless!Sam continues to amuse me and creep me the fuck out at the same time. Yes he's funny and sarcastic but eh, the whole dubiously evil shtick will get boring after a while. *cough* Like the whole Sam vs. Dean storyline *cough* Because you know that ending is setting us up for another GASP SHOCK HORREUR...betrayal by not!Sam...Dean is heartbroken and beats the shit out of him...Sam pretends to be OK and they go back to hunting. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS WRITERS DO SOMETHING NEW.
ALSO, NEEDS MORE CAS BITCHES. Don't just dangle that intro in front of people and have us on pins and needles for the whole ep hoping that he shows up.
But hey, at least this ep was way better than the first two. I mean, they could have done so much more with this but then again, what am I setting my hopes so high for? This is Supernatural, I will always love the show but they do rehash plots and tropes so freaking much.
Also, that salt bullshit got me annoyed. Don't Sam and Dean line the doors and windows of their motel room with salt? I am almost 100% positive that they have done that in the previous eps so how was the fairy able to get into the room with Dean?
THIS FUCKING SHOW. ARGH.
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Date: 2010-11-21 03:30 pm (UTC)Which again, I wished they could have gone with the religious lore direction with fairies being fallen angels instead from another dimension.
Yeah, I agree. They are dragging the entire thing with Sam being soulless out too much that, just like previous times before, it's not gonna be much of a surprise when he refuses to have his soul back or even prevent it from happening. It's not a shocker anymore show, it's far too predictable and honestly? As entertaining as Jared may be portraying this version of Sam without a soul, this show has gotten so predictable with the entire SAM IS BAD/EVIL/SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM schtick that it's gonna pointless to even be surprised at anything anymore. They really need new material.
Or just fire Sera Gamble from this show entirely, because clearly she can't get anything right in terms of the story/plot. -__-
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Date: 2010-11-21 08:25 am (UTC)I thought that Sam putting his hand on Dean's knee was sort of creepy and crossing personal space, given who Sam is right now.
Love the homage to X-Files but having Misha in the credits and then not showing up was rather misleading. Boo, show, boo.
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Date: 2010-11-21 01:48 pm (UTC)Yeah, considering how Sam is currently and that it's really not his brother, anyone would be so weirded out as Dean was in that moment, lol.
Having no Misha made me sad. I know he probably wouldn't have fit in the episode's context anyway, and that he's a regular and of course they would add him into any main credits, however this was entirely misleading considering how many people are always waiting for his appearance in episodes. Giving us false hope, show.
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Date: 2010-11-21 09:21 pm (UTC)BULLSHIT. the bitch can't even interrogate a couple of people. he's good at killing shit? so's a bazooka. being a good hunter also means being able to connect, help, manipulate people and lie like a pro. he'd get nowhere if he didn't have Dean by his side.
SERA PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!NOOOOOOOOOO:
i like Lisa, but it's such a dead, rotting horse. let it die, Sera, let likable Mary Sue die a dignified death. don't drag it out like in really bad off-Broadway plays where there's a really emo self-congratulatory monologue that takes so fucking long by the end you just don't give a shit anymore. pls. *puppy eyes*
Wincest groping:
Wincesters rejoiced in Souless!Sam touching his bro? i'm all about the Wincest and i was SKEEVED THE FUCK OUT by that gesture. i mean, unless you're into non-con (and there are a few devilishly good writers out there who could make me read pretty much everything) there's like...no effing way Dean would ever go for Soulless Sam. just. no. at this point it would be like Dean screwing blow-up doll Sammeh, which would actually squick me less. o.O
Dean & Gays:
i liked that bit, except when Dean hesitates when he says he's cool with the gay people. i wish he had been awesome about it. that would have made me more comfortable with the whole tradition of "die, whore & fight the fairies."
yet...i loved this episode and i heart Ben (i'm hearting Sera too, i know, right?). this is Ben without breaks on. i hope he just allows his crazy to come out, now that Kripz isn't there to hold him in. :D:D::D:D:D
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Date: 2010-11-21 10:49 pm (UTC)That's gotten me wondering how on Earth has Sam gotten with hunting solo for the last year without Dean, assuming that he doesn't always go with the Campbells. How has he managed to not scared the living daylights out of people with his brashness and inability to understand empathy? Unless that was his tactic: scare people shitless into telling him what he needs to know.
Which in that case, that's not being a good hunter. That's being a good sociopath psycho.
i like Lisa, but it's such a dead, rotting horse. let it die, Sera, let likable Mary Sue die a dignified death. don't drag it out like in really bad off-Broadway plays where there's a really emo self-congratulatory monologue that takes so fucking long by the end you just don't give a shit anymore. pls. *puppy eyes*
Sera Gamble is the resident Stephanie Meyer as we all know. She will probably drag that shit out forever if she could. -__-
I'm not into Dean/Sam so that scene was just extra creepy, so I don't understand how people who do ship it find that justifying their pairing. It's just in a DNW territory because that is clearly not the Sam Winchester we know, and Dean is clearly skeeved out.
i liked that bit, except when Dean hesitates when he says he's cool with the gay people. i wish he had been awesome about it.
In my head!canon he's probably trying to find a way of understanding his own sexuality and not wanting to lead on to anything. ;)
I'm still loathing Sera Gamble and how much she's ruining things for the show (I mean seriously, I don't think I'll ever like her; neutral if she gets her shit together maybe, but definitely not a fan), however I will always love Ben Edlund. He's one of the only writers on the show I trust and he proven well with the writing. I mean, how snappy and witty was that dialogue? I had to keep up just understanding what they were saying! ;D
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Date: 2010-11-22 12:59 am (UTC)that'll only work on some people though. other people get really damned stubborn when they get scared, or when they feel someone is trying to intimidate them.
I'm not into Dean/Sam so that scene was just extra creepy, so I don't understand how people who do ship it find that justifying their pairing. It's just in a DNW territory because that is clearly not the Sam Winchester we know, and Dean is clearly skeeved out.
as with all ships, there's a corner of that ship that will justify anything with anything. specially anything Sammy does or says or whatever. he's their resident woobie, they want to feed him soup and bite his hips, not necessarily in that order, and they don't give a shit about what he actually does. which in their minds makes them super loyal fans and me a traitor, and in my mind makes me rational and them bunny boilers. but it's all a matter of opinion, so.
In my head!canon he's probably trying to find a way of understanding his own sexuality and not wanting to lead on to anything. ;)
EnnisDelMar!Dean? I can dig it. i'm just kinda tired of the hesitating and tentative tolerance, and ready for full on acceptance, but i gotta be patient i guess.
(I mean seriously, I don't think I'll ever like her; neutral if she gets her shit together maybe, but definitely not a fan), however I will always love Ben Edlund. He's one of the only writers on the show I trust and he proven well with the writing. I mean, how snappy and witty was that dialogue? I had to keep up just understanding what they were saying! ;D
i'm a bit of a newb, which in these parts seems to mean Dean!Girl and Cas/Dean shipper (i actually ship Sam/Dean and am a Sam!Girl but who can argue with veteran fangirls?) so i'm not really acquainted with the whole Sera thing, and i did enjoy "Heart"...plus I'm kinda wary of fangirling (what Bookshop calls the white male nerd and the cult of awesome) boys and criticizing girls that's common as fuck in Fandom which doesn't mean yr doing that, you might have super valid reasons for it not having to do with genitals, self-hate, misogyny and gender issues, but since i have no reason (i don't know what sins she's committed..ignorance is bliss ) i see all the Sera hate and i'm all "okay then!" about it.
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Date: 2010-11-22 03:43 am (UTC)Which would be a perfect reason for his "killing innocents" line he admitted to if it ever came to that decision, and this Sam wouldn't blink an eye if that were the case....
which in their minds makes them super loyal fans and me a traitor, and in my mind makes me rational and them bunny boilers. but it's all a matter of opinion, so.
Yeah, I get loving a character but sometimes you got to understand what the character is doing and not justify their wrongdoings. Like with Dean this season, for instance. He's acting like such a selfish dick lately and the way he's been treating others, Castiel in particular, is not cute. And I love Dean and always will, but dude needs to shape up. Does that make me less of a loyal fan to said character or the show? Absolutely not, and not everyone who disagrees with the decisions characters make dislikes them or is "disloyal" (which how can one be disloyal, idek)
I'm kinda wary of fangirling (what Bookshop calls the white male nerd and the cult of awesome) boys and criticizing girls that's common as fuck in Fandom which doesn't mean yr doing that, you might have super valid reasons for it not having to do with genitals, self-hate, misogyny and gender issues
It's an unfortunate occurrence in fandom and I understand that, however that's definitely not what I'm doing. My reasons are perfectly validated based on her work and while she might have written good episodes here and there in the past, I've never trusted her sense of direction in regards to characters or the story and the fact she's the showrunner now makes me worried of the direction the show has been taking. Her premiere of this season proved all my worst fears for a sixth season in general. I consider Sera Gamble the weakest link of the writers in general, and I'm not fond with her so-called plans she originally had.
I certainly hate the generalization that anyone that doesn't like a female character/writer/etc is immediately lumped into that category. I can understand why it happens, but I hate the immediate generalization people get with that, especially with this fandom.
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Date: 2010-11-22 04:02 am (UTC)Which would be a perfect reason for his "killing innocents" line he admitted to if it ever came to that decision, and this Sam wouldn't blink an eye if that were the case....
shitty ass hunter, then. he remembered the killing things bit and forgot the saving people. he's Gordon, now.
I certainly hate the generalization that anyone that doesn't like a female character/writer/etc is immediately lumped into that category. I can understand why it happens, but I hate the immediate generalization people get with that, especially with this fandom.
yeah, it's a shitty generalization, but --at least in my case-- i'm always suspicious of people who don't like female characters/writers/etc and i like to know the reasons why they don't (don't you?). which, hey, nobody owes me any explanations, but this fandom specially has the rep of Mel Gibson so i'll always poke at it and if the person says no, there's a reason then yeah, i'll buy it. more so if they themselves don't have the rep of Mel Gibson, and i know they like female creators (not just fictional characters, though, 'cause it's easy to like Batgirl but harder to like rl flawed normal peeps.)