WHAT. I CAN'T EVEN.

[rogueslayer452]

DANIEL GRAYSTONE, YOU ARE GONNA DIE.

LIKE OKAY, I GOTTA LOVE THE MORAL GRAYNESS OF HIS CHARACTER. BUT SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE HELL DID HE THINK HE WAS DOING? PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS TO "PROVE" THAT ZOE STILL EXISTS IN THE CENTURION? THAT SHE STILL IS INSIDE THE MCP?

IF HE TRULY BELIEVED THAT HIS DAUGHTER'S AVATAR WAS STILL INSIDE THE ROBOT, WHY DID HE DO ALL THOSE THINGS? I KNOW IT WAS TO PSYCH HER OUT IF SHE WAS BEING DISOBEDIENT AND GETTING HER TO TALK TO HIM - BUT THAT WAS TAKING IT TOO FRAKKING FAR. WAY WAY TOO FRAKKING FAR.

THIS IS THE DOWNFALL OF EVERYTHING. YOU TREAT THE MACHINE WITH RESPECT YOU ASSHOLE, NOT PUSH ITS LIMITS TO YOUR LIKING!

MY CYLON-LOVING SIDE IS SO ANGERED RIGHT NOW. MORE THAN EVER ESPECIALLY SINCE WE KNOW ZOE IS IN THERE.

SHE'S A TOUGH GIRL, BUT GODDAMN IF THIS IS GOING TO FUEL HER RAGE AND DISTRUST OF DANIEL EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID.


THIS SHOW. I JUST. OMG. ANYONE THAT CONTINUES TO NITPICK IT AFTER THIS JUST NEEDS TO STFU AND GTFO BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW JACKSHIT.

Comments

[frenchani.livejournal.com]

He didn't want to prove anything, he wanted her to talk to him. He wanted to get back the old connection they had and that is lost.

I also think he is still dealing with his own guilt since Vergis told him about the murders and looking for a punishment. Giant robot killer with angry teenager inside has been cast for the role!

I love Daniel!

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

It may be true that he was just dealing with his own grief concerning his daughter, particularly unloading all the emotions he never let out regarding the reasons of her death, but that still doesn't excuse what he did, outlet or no.

Besides, Zoe is absolutely in the right. Daniel is only using whatever means necessary for his own gain to save his company. Who is to say that if she told him the truth he would have treated her all the same as though she were in real life? The thing about Daniel is that he's in that gray spot, I understand his grieving but at the same time he can be acting purely on that selfish mode; he wanted his daughter back, he wants to bring the Zoe-A into real life without thinking of the consequences. He created the Tamara avatar for Joseph, not thinking about how this Tamara would be feeling. He even was willing to sacrifice the dog just to push those limits to see if Zoe, if he was so convinced she was in there, would break.

I like the direction of Daniel's character because of his morality dilemmas and challenges, the fact that we question and are conflicted with what he does means that he's also a complex character just like the rest of them. But that doesn't mean I have to like or agree with every single decision he makes.

[frenchani.livejournal.com]

Oh don't misunderstand me, I think that what he did was wrong! I wouldn't say that Zoe is absolutely in the right though.

I think that they are both in the wrong, and that they both have misconceptions about each other. Daniel still believes that Zoe set the bomb that killed the innocent people on the train; Zoe keep imagining the worst about her father (juts like when she thought Tamara was his virtual sex-toy)partly because he is her father and she is a teenager, partly because of his dirty science and she has been "brainwhashed" by fanatics.

Anyway, I didn't mean to say that you had to agree with every decision he makes (I don't think he does himself actually), my comment was mostly a knee-jerk reaction. Sorry for popping up on your journal like that. it's just that I consider Daniel the most interesting character on the show so I don't want him to die! :- )

And I'm relieved that Daniel never risked Ceasar's life.

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

The thing is, when I wrote the "DANIEL IS GOING TO DIE" comment in my post was simply reactionary, because regardless of who is in the crossfire or not we all know that treating the Cylons in this manner is going to be what fuels the end of humanity. I'm not suggesting that Daniel should die because I, too, find his character interesting and his pushing and prodding of Zoe in this episode led to more of his character complexity and moral ambiguity of how far he was willing to go no matter what.

However, I side more with Zoe because I completely agree with her because honestly, it's true. At the end of the day, it's all about Daniel Graystone and his corporation. She has to think of the worst of him because through the memories of the original Zoe and what she experienced with him, with him treating her like a thing then wanting to capture her code for his own personal gain of wanting his daughter back, what proof does she have that Daniel can be trusted in the slightest? It's classic father-daughter issues, only taken to the next level of distrust, which is understandable given to what we know of Daniel and how far he's willing to go for certain things.

The thing with the writing for Caprica is that we are taken into every character's perspectives, understand their motives and decide or question for ourselves the situations laid out before us. Is Daniel in the right? Is Zoe correct about her father? Which is the right path for these characters to take? Etc. We all have our views and perspectives on these issues which, whether we agree or disagree, means the show is doing precisely what it should: making us think.