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With the good, there has to be the bad.

So, I heard that Syfy canceled Stargate Universe recently. I admit I didn't watch the show and had heard certain...things about it from others that prompted me to not really bother with it, including that one bullshit wankery that happened with one of the creators of the show, but I know some people did watch and enjoyed it so believe me, I understand that hearing a show you've been watching has been abruptly canceled is a crushing and devastating feeling. Hell, even the actors discovered this news via Twitter, not even an official announcement or anything. It makes matters more lower than low because of it. :( First with Caprica and now with Stargate Universe, this has gotten me thinking and wondering: has the Syfy Network turned into the new FOX?

Both shows were continuations of their most successful franchises, and the network even stated that they were behind them because of that, and yet they pull shitty stunts like this. I had gotten the impression that Syfy was different in that they cared more about fan reactions than they did ratings, or at least not set high expectations for ratings like other networks do. It seems like I had been deluding myself. I know its the nature of the business, but it seems rather shady to me. Canceling two extensions of particular franchises is not the greatest way of making good with their viewers, just saying.

At least certain shows like Eureka, Warehouse 13 and Haven have been in good graces. Let's just hope it remains that way. Still, I'm not entirely pleased with the Syfy Network these days because of their shitty operations, since they're replacing these canceled shows with motherfucking wrestling. Like, whut? :/

On top of that there's also been certain wanking and anger-filled drama happening in certain communities I'm associated with, some in particular have resulted into victim-blaming and shaming of women and those people not even acknowledging or understanding the offensiveness of their comments. Or if they do, they justify it with an "oh I'm just stating my opinion" excuse and failing to have any kind of empathy whatsoever. It's despicable and disgusting and just, ugh. STOP IT WORLD, JUST STOP.

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Heard about that. After what they did with Caprica (I am still really bitter over that), I can't say what they do will surprise me at all. Still, what is with canceling shows left and right without even letting the show grow into something more. Some of those shows have the potential to be great but we'll never know.

At least SGU had received two seasons, Caprica barely finished their first before they decided to cut the cord and that makes me more bitter about that than anything else. Like seriously? You people claim to love the BSG franchise but treat it so poorly and then cancel it without much notice or warning? Fuck you, Syfy assholes. :/

It makes me wonder since Haven was a new show that premiered during the summer, a show that I love, and it didn't have incredibly high ratings but they renewed that for a second season. But they also didn't treat it like crap either. So it makes me so wary about the sketchiness the network pulls with their decision-making.

What was the bullshit wankery about the creators? /busybody Urgh SyFy, honestly, it's like they're trying to run the network into the ground. I don't watch either Caprica or SGU (but I was going to start on the former... someday, and it sucks that there wouldn't be more episodes to provide a satisfying bridge to BSG.) Honestly though, how far do they think they'll get w/ shitty telemovies? and just, to not even bother informing the SGU cast properly, that's just crass.

What was the bullshit wankery about the creators? /busybody

Basically co-creator Brad Wright blamed SGA fans for "punishing" SGU by giving it low ratings (http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/opinion-atlantis-fans-need-to-stop-punishing-universe/), or whatever else he used as an excuse. Such a dick move. :/

With the combination of crappy Syfy original movies and continuous wrestling (like seriously, how is wrestling even worthy of being on a SCIENCE FICTION NETWORK! like I get it's all choreographed fictional storylines and whatnot with their fighting and "confrontations" or whatever, but seriously, wtf?) you'd think they would at least keep something on their network. I miss the days when they actually had worthwhile programs that had something of substance. There's still Warehouse 13 and Eureka and Haven, thank goodness, but it keeps me wary on how they plan on keeping their viewers when you're constantly worried about them canceling your favorite show at any moment.

Also, definitely watch Caprica. Cannot stress enough because it is so worth it, imo. ;)

Yes, it was us SGA fans who personally stood in front of everyone's TV and stopped people from watch SGU lol.

YOU MAGICALLY RALLIED EVERYONE WITH YOUR ~SEKRIT POWAHS~ TO NOT WATCH THE SHOW! THERE WERE RITUALS AND BLOOD SACRIFICES AND EVERYTHING!!

I can't wait to see the bullshit they say this time about the cancellation.

I'm going to the Vancouver Convention in April and Brad Wright will be there on Sunday. It's gonna be epic lulz. I saw him and Robert Cooper in 09 when they tried to defend the cancellation of SGA and how we're gonna love SGU while still insulting the fan base.
I'm head over heels in love the Cas and I am digging the SPN fandom right now (Late start, I know) so I really don't care what Brad has to say. I'm just tired of the fans being blamed for a crappy show. When a good show is canned, that sucks. When a show that is sub-par gets canned, you can't blame the fans- or you shouldn't blame the fans. Funny how it's never their fault.

I'm just tired of the fans being blamed for a crappy show. When a good show is canned, that sucks. When a show that is sub-par gets canned, you can't blame the fans- or you shouldn't blame the fans. Funny how it's never their fault.

Exactly. I never understood this kind of "placing the blame" game that happens towards the fans. It's like these people think they're hot shit and their projects are awesome and anyone that disagrees it's like, totally their fault if their project goes down the drain. It's like with Heroes's creator Tim Kring insulting fans that one time, and while he apologized for it the damage had already been done. There's nothing more damaging to a show's reputation than an egotistical showrunner. -___-

NEVER EVER BLAME OR INSULT THE FANS. THAT IS A HUGE NO-NO.

Blame the fans, really? That's how they want to play it? Jeez. When people don't tune in (like you expect them to), there has to disconnect between what's happening plot-wise and how it's getting transmitted to the audience. I'm so sick of this TPTB-fans divide, it's like there's this gulf and we're shouting and they're just TRALALALA WE'LL DO WHAT WE WANT /end rant. Anyway.

Syfy is seriously steadily going down the drain ): And if they're going to be showing wrestling, I want some seriously tricked out sci-fi wrestling shit okay, with like anti-grav and stuff. Honestly. BONNIE HAMMER WHATCHU DOING. I fear for Blood&Chrome next. ):

I didn't watch Stargate Universe past the pilot because it didn't draw me in, but I'm sorry for the fans. This looks like a not-good trend. The only thing I'm planning to watch on Syfy in the future is Blood and Chrome, and I'm not optimistic about it going to a second season or even beyond the pilot.

With how they treated Caprica, I highly doubt Blood and Chrome will get much attention or proper treatment either. It seems like most of the BSG fandom has either dispersed or not really caring either way, which is kind of sad.

They should have kept it either as a webseries like they planned or a telemovie, and kept Caprica on the air. Seriously, it's that simple. And yet. :/

Unpopular opinion here in that I didn't watch either Caprica or SGU but I got the feeling that, while they were continuations of wildly successful shows, they, themselves, went down in terms of quality. Not that they were bad, but they didn't live up to the hype and the magic of the first. You see it even in the later seasons of SG1 and SGA. It just wasn't as good. I do agree that fucking wrestling is just...ARGH. (I hate it oh-so much.) But I'm not all that surprised at the cancellations. =/

Then again, I know people think Sanctuary is crap and I still love it, so, you know.

while they were continuations of wildly successful shows, they, themselves, went down in terms of quality. Not that they were bad, but they didn't live up to the hype and the magic of the first.

I can understand that on a certain level, though sometimes it's about building an entirely new audience. Which with Caprica is precisely what they wanted to do from the start, stating that it was something entirely new and it had gained both old fans and newcomers to the fanbase. However in the case with that they hardly had any chance on proving themselves because they were canceled midway through the first season, after being preempted so many times and after almost a year hiatus of the mid-season finale. The network just seemed to not care from the start despite the claims that they did. Had the first season remained on a steady run without the postponing and shifting it's air dates, it would have done well enough to get at least one more season.

With SGU though it had a tough time adjusting because it had gotten a bad rep even before it had premiered; the different look, the different tone (very BSG-ish, unlike the previous Stargates) the criticism weighed in. It definitely had to live up to its predecessors and it wasn't flying with many people.

Some shows gain their full potential nearly midway, and networks kill them before they reach that mark. I understand it's part of the business and this is why shows have to stay afloat from the start, but it's just fundamentally unfair when worthwhile shows get killed off when there's so much potential and great opportunities that, had they held on a little longer, it would have been fantastic. You know?

This post reminds me of an article I just read, What Syfy Isn’t Telling You About Caprica. I kind of knew all that 'we stand behind Caprica' crap was just that... crap, but that article really drove home just how badly that show was screwed by the network.

Yeah. That entire article really places into perspective how Syfy just fucked shit up so badly, and it makes me even more bitter than before knowing that they could have done things differently to ensure that there would have been at least another season. Or you know, that they cared enough to promote it like they did continuously for BSG during its run.

It doesn't make the next prequel series, Blood and Chrome, to likely succeed.

'It doesn't make the next prequel series, Blood and Chrome, to likely succeed.'
So true. I'll be surprised if Blood and Chrome gets a full season.

I don't even know why SyFy is playing wrestling. It was always on after Warehouse 13 with a long annoying preview for it during the last commercial break and I was like...wrestling on SyFy? Really?

Unless it's crazy SyFy wrestling, that crap needs to move to another channel lol.

Wrestling belongs on networks like SpikeTV or MTV or something like that. Not Syfy. Completely different demographics. I mean, seriously.

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ikr? It's probably for whatever ratings they get. But still, it doesn't belong on the SyFy channel.

they're replacing these canceled shows with motherfucking wrestling

- in space?

NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL, NGL. WRESTLING IN SPACE. XD

Honestly, Syfy sucks ass! It used to be about science fiction and now it's all about crappy reality programming and wrestling. Ugh!

It's such a shame because it used to be better but now it's just awful!

They have a few shows that I love and watch, but with these abrupt cancellations happening left and right there will be nothing left and it seriously will be all wrestling/reality shows/horrible b-movies (which I kinda love not gonna lie, but unless there's gonna be a STONEHENGE APOCALYPSE sequel or Misha gets another role in something over there, the constant feeding of badness is gonna get old).

Frankly I thought SGU was more of a young and the restless with a sci fi twist than a BSG-like show that they claimed, but thats just me, so not overly concerned that it got cancelled. However it is concerning that its the second show syfy has cancelled recently from franchises that have been very sucessful in the past. And wtf is up with the wrestling and reality crap??? I really don't get what its doing on a channell that is meant to be sci fi.

shrugs* I'm gtting used to shows that I like getting cancelled. Supernatural and The Big bang Theory are about the only two shows I love recently that have gone past a season or two. Hmm ok Fringe got as third season I guess there could be others as well, but so many shows only get one season lately to try and prove themselves, too often that is just not enough time. Too many new shows and not enough of them getting a chance, it sucks.

I think it was more of the filming style and the atmosphere that was compared to BSG, which was darker, grittier and less comedy-style than the previous Stargates which had more crack than anything else. From what little I saw of the show, I have to agree with that connection. This one tended to be more "serious" with more melodrama than people were used to I guess. I didn't watch either so I can't say with certainty.

However it is concerning that its the second show syfy has cancelled recently from franchises that have been very sucessful in the past.

That's definitely my main concern, as well. There's no sense of security anymore despite what the network says, they always end up canning their best franchises until there's nothing left. It's confusing and frustrating, and it makes me lose faith in the network overall. And that's sad, because I never had much problem with Syfy other than their love for longass hiatuses. Nowadays they are definitely becoming the baby version of FOX and that's not good. :/

I'd rather not have my favorite shows getting canceled, though it seems to be a trend, doesn't it? :(

My impression is that SyFy has been going drastically downwards, especially since the name change. Not that that itself is responsible, but I think it's indicative of a change of management/style. Which confuses me, because they had almost universal approval over BSG. Yet they choose to return to the level of Frankenfish-style movies and apparently wrestling?

My sentiments precisely. The fact they mistreated Caprica the way they did but still stood by their statements that they care for the BSG franchise really places a bad taste in my mouth. It would have been a fantastic show and could have grown into its own like BSG did when it first premiered, but with everything it's like they barely gave it a chance to show its potential. Shitty promoting and treatment, and without a word they canceled it. Like, what the frakking frak people?

Syfy definitely is turning more into FOX and it's depressing, because I had thought Syfy was bigger than that. Better, and not like other networks that only care about the numbers. It was my impression that Syfy usually cared about the dedicated fanbases a little more than the ratings; I mean, certain shows hardly ranked high on the ratings scale yet kept going because of the fanbases. I just, I don't understand this shift at all.

I admit to a tiny dollop of schadenfreude, since I was tired of being insulted and told I was the "wrong demographic" then blamed for SGU's failure. But it does suck for the actual fans of the show. And WTF SyFy, with the wrestling and the reality shows? I admit to loving the shitty Original Movies though. Even crap sci-fi is at least, you know, sci-fi.

I'm a sucker for their original movies too, not even gonna lie about that (STONEHENGE APOCALYPSE and SHARKTOPUS, hello!). They are so ridiculously crackalicious and craycray and they know it too, though it makes me wish they wouldn't always do them like that and take their programming more seriously. With the mishandled treatment of some of their shows lately it's been like, are they really caring about them or just paying attention to the numbers? It's disappointing, to say the least. :/

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I'm still loving the ones they still have as I mentioned in the post, though yeah it's a torn situation because I disapprove of their abrupt decision-making lately and it's really turning me off at how they've been operating their programming. :/

I'd just thought I'd let you know that I got your Christmas card. I'm happy to keep you sane anytime :D

Loved the cute Dean/Cas drawing *points to icon*

YOU ICON'D MY DRAWING! THAT IS TOO AWESOME, I FEEL SO HONORED. ♥ Seriously, I could do a bit better, since it was smaller than how I normally do them (what can I say I am judgmental with my own work, lol) but still OMG!!!! *draws hearts around you*

So happy that you got the card (on time! yay!) You really do keep me sane, and I love for you it, bb. ♥ ♥ ♥

'YOU ICON'D MY DRAWING! THAT IS TOO AWESOME, I FEEL SO HONORED. ♥'
What can I say, it was just too cute to pass up.

'You really do keep me sane, and I love for you it, bb. ♥ ♥ ♥'
Happy to do it.

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